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Old 22-08-2011, 02:48   #31
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Re: Aussies Don't Complain Boats Are Too Expensive

Point taken Factor.

Good to see Aussie builders such as Seawind trying their best to remain competitive at home by passing on some of the benefits of the high A$ by dropping prices. Many boat building materials and components such as engines, winches, pumps, etc. have actually become cheaper in $A terms because of the currency situation and reduced international demand.
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Old 22-08-2011, 02:57   #32
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Th high Aus dollar doesn't help as much as you would think though unfortunately, The spars are made in sydney as are the sails and the stainless is all on the gold coast and of course the biggest component is labour, which is all Australian. Electronics and engines are the only big ticket import items. And of course the boats are suddenly more expensive in export markets - eg USA. Australian boat that was 400 $A, a few years ago was around $250US, same boat same $A 400K price is now $A 425K US.

The high Aussie dollar is doing nothing for local manufacturers and their employees (and the tourist industry) . Its good for those travelling OS though.
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Old 22-08-2011, 04:19   #33
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The figures aren't as dramatic when comparing the A$ to the Euro however.
Don't forget that the French manufacturers had to compete when their currency was high. Including those cheap imports from Australia on their home turf. So it's a matter of "swings and roundabouts" over time. Both their country and ours offer comfortable tax consessions for exporters.

I am sincere in applauding Seawind for continue to manufacture locally. I'm sure they are getting better deals on local labour as well as benefiting from cheaper internationally sourced components. The price of skilled marine trade labour at places such as the Coomera marine precinct on the Gold Coast have become much more reasonable as a matter of necessity, as I'm sure you know Factor. So, it's good to see them looking after the home market by dropping prices. Fusion have not chosen to go down this path!

The fact remains however, that for all sorts of reasons catamaran prices in Australia, new and used, are amounst the most expensive in the world. With the historically high value of our currency this should not be so.
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Old 22-08-2011, 15:38   #34
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Re: Aussies Don't Complain Boats Are Too Expensive

There's no escaping the huge, negative impact on OZ builders of the recent currency shifts, notwithstanding the reduction in the costs of certain, imported material inputs; the latter being relatively small as Factor suggests. Other, import-sensitive Australian manufacturers provide ample evidence confirming that impact.

Nevertheless the OZ builders have (and will) always enjoy a big competitive advantage in the local market given the very high transport costs of bringing a vessel here from overseas.

Harking back, however, to the days of the low $A and high Euro, we saw the French still competing and the OZ builders enjoying a natural barrier with reasonably comfortable margins; those margins appear to be now confirmed by (and disappearing with!) falling prices on some of the OZ-built vessels. To the credit of the OZ builders, they always kept their quality very high...and that (in our view anyway) put pressure on the French to lift their quality, a phenomenom that benefited us all.

So we conclude the 'hats (or berets!) off' gesture to French build efficiency is still very appropriate...and so is the recognition of some excellent quality in the OZ builders.

As for what may be still relatively high overall vessel pricing in OZ, the strength of the Australian economy vis-a-vis the European and US economies in particular needs to be considered -- There's nothing like distressed sellers to keep a market low! -- and there will always be some inbuilt price/cost for our remote -- ...and we like it that way! -- location.
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Here's a good page with a lot of name brand Cats and the prices we have to pay. Bit of a turnaround in topic, however as you may have realised the original post was a one-off.

Multihull Solutions - QLD Mooloolaba - Boats & Yachts for Sale | Yacht Hub


USED BOATS
Sail Multihulls Feet Metres Year Price
Fountaine Pajot - Mahe 36 36' 2" 11.02m 2007 AU $ 345,000 view
Shawn Arbor 38 New Listing 38' 3" 11.65m 1988 AU $ 249,000
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Fusion 40 Sold 39' 11.88m 2008 AU $ 475,000 view
Fountaine Pajot Lavezzi 40 New Listing 39' 1" 11.91m 2005 AU $ 395,000
GST included view
Fountaine Pajot - Lavezzi 40 39' 1" 11.91m 2006 POA view
Fountaine Pajot - Lipari 41 39' 2" 11.93m 2010 AU $ 549,000 view
Lagoon 400 Under Contract 39' 3" 11.96m 2010 AU $ 498,000
reduced view
Fountaine Pajot Lavezzi 40 40' 12.19m 2008 AU $ 415,000
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Catana 42 41' 3" 12.57m 2010 AU $ 649,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Fountaine Pajot Venezia 42 New Listing 41' 4" 12.59m 1996 AU $ 339,000
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Leopard 42 42' 12.80m 2004 AU $ 429,000
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Fountaine Pajot Venezia 42 New Listing 42' 12.80m 1998 AU $ 350,000
make an offer view
Lagoon 420 Sold 42' 12.80m 2007 AU $ 549,000
GST included view
Lagoon 420 Diesel Catamaran Sold 42' 12.80m 2007 AU $ 549,000
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Fountaine Pajot - Belize 43 43' 13.10m 2002 AU $ 475,000 view
Debonair 45 New Listing Under Contract 45' 13.71m 2008 AU $ 449,000
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Freydis 46 45' 9" 13.94m 2007 AU $ 599,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Catana 471 46' 9" 14.24m 2000 AU $ 608,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Leopard 47 47' 14.32m 2003 AU $ 379,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Outremer 50 Light 52' 4" 15.95m 1994 AU $ 337,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Catana 50 52' 6" 16.00m 2007 AU $ 973,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Tim Clissold Offshore 55 Catamaran 54' 2" 16.50m 2004 AU $ 767,000
make an offer view
Catana 581 Family Version 58' 17.67m 2004 AU $ 1,162,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Fountaine Pajot - Eleuthera 60 60' 18.28m 2005 AU $ 1,090,000
GST included view
Catana 582 Ocean Class 62' 3" 18.97m 2003 AU $ 1,130,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Catana 65 Family Version 65' 7" 19.98m 2008 AU $ 2,500,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view
Taino 82 78' 5" 23.90m 2011 AU $ 3,850,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view

Power Boats Feet Metres Year Price
Arrowcat 30 29' 10" 9.09m 2008 AU $ 235,000 view
Fountaine Pajot Trawler - Highland 35 33' 11" 10.33m AU $ 449,000
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King Custom Power Catamaran New Listing 39' 4" 11.98m 2007 AU $ 599,000
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Fountaine Pajot Trawler - Summerland 40 40' 12.19m 2010 AU $ 695,000
huge price reduction view
Perry 44.5 Power Catamaran 44' 5" 13.53m 2004 AU $ 790,000
GST included view
Fountaine Pajot Trawler Cumberland 46 Sold 45' 9" 13.94m 2010 AU $ 775,000
make an offer view
Offshore Neil Strong 60' Cruising Catamaran 60' 18.28m 2004 AU $ 1,007,000
negotiable view

Commercial Feet Metres Year Price
Taino 82 78' 5" 23.90m 2011 AU $ 3,850,000
plus Duty/GST if applicable view

Berthing Feet Metres Price
18m Multihull Berth - Sale - Mooloolaba 59' 1" 18.00m AU $ 299,000 view
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Boat prices have always been very high in Australia, especially second hand values. The parallel is of course, second hand cars. Just like yachts, you can buy a second hand beemer, merc, porcshe, et al very cheaply in the UK, western europe and the states. We can debate transport costs to Oz, economies of scale, tariffs, etc but at the end of the day in this world economy, consumers want good value for money. Look at the surge in Aussies purchasing overseas goods on the internet. The price of Cats in Oz is ridiculous! The price of a 20 y.o. second hand cat or mono is even more ridiculous.

We can't all just drop everything, fly OS and buy a great boat for a reasonable price in the Med or West Indies and start sailing, but I did it in 2003/04 with my family and one day, I'll do it again. Not just because the vessel will be much cheaper to buy - I also like the adventure of it all, the challenge and the fun. There is also the added advantage (or disadvantage) that instead of a 5 year (or longer) circumnavigation - Oz to Oz - you can go for 2 or 3 years; 2 from the Caribbean and 3 if you start in the Med...

I feel for the local industry but at the end of the day for people who aren't wealthy, the more you save on purchase cost, the longer you can be out there sailing....

My 2c worth......
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Old 26-08-2011, 04:14   #37
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Some say houses in Aus are too expensive too compared to other countries!
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Melbourne is around the 5th most expensive city to buy a house in the world...
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Old 26-08-2011, 04:44   #39
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Well I am very pleased that house prices are through the roof, Yippee,

I just sold my second house and it gave me enough to buy a catamaran and enough left over to retire on, If I am care full with my money.

As for buying a cat in Australia, forget it, They are too dear, If I bought a cat here, I would not have enough to retire on, I would still have to work,

And probably a cat here, Is out of my reach any way. and I have looked,

Second hand cats here are more expensive than new ones, I just dont get it.
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Which 2nd hand ones are dearer than new ones? And where do you buy a cat then?
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Fiji,
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Cool, thats not far to go then.
Whats on offer in Fiji?
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2003, Gemini 105MC 34 foot cat, $150,000-00 USD

Just been Hauled out and a licenced Survey done at my cost, Very seaworthy,
All gear in very good trim, Bottom clean as. Has lots of extra's, every thing works,
Motor is good,

Was trucked across the USA from east to west from brand new, Was sailed from west coast USA to Hawawi, sailed to Tonga and then to Fiji.

The one owner has mainly lived on it since new, so it hasn't sailed very far,

I think I have bought a good boat,

It has an enclosed rear cover that the owner had made for it, He is an Architect, and lives and works on the boat, full time,

Now all I have to do is learn how to sail it, which the owner will help me do,

A week sailing around Fiji, Make sure I am competant and confident in my ability,

Then I will sail it back to OZ, If I am not confident in myself, I will hire some one to sail it for me,

My friend wont know is she will come back with me yet. But after sailing around Fiji, she will let me know and then she can fly back or come back with me,

Totally hypothetical at this stage,

Buying a cat in OZ is just beyond my financial capability, And I have looked,

Yachthub, mutihull world, West coast multi's. in USA,

I did look at bringing one from the USA. An extra cost of $124.630-00 on top of the boats actual cost.

Just out of my reach financially.
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Mr B, sounds like you scored a very nice vessel! Good on you...

I would suggest that 1 week sailing lesson around Fiji is not really enough to safely get you back to Australia. There are a lot of reefs and hazards to sail into in the middle of the night. Not trying to put you off at all, don't get me wrong - just think you need to spend a bit longer and gain a bit more experience.
Have you done any navigation courses and researched the various routes from Fiji to Oz, weather patterns, etc. - I'm sure you have!

Good luck to you, I'm envious....
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Interesting numbers - basically +50% of purchase price to get it here. But its the shipping that really kills you. $68k for shipping is probably the going rate (I had quote of $37k for 46' mono) but if you had the time and crew to sail back yourself, then its only +20% on the same boat.

So, shipping one in seems to give a boat price broadly similar to what Multihulls have their listings at - which is interesting isn't it? I'm similar to you - sold spare house and I want some funds leftover for living etc. I just need to get my head around a long time sail first up ......
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