Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 25-03-2017, 01:02   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Boat: L 400
Posts: 689
Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Is there a perfect solution?

I've tried many imperfect methods. A chain hook that falls off when the bridle goes slack. Waking us up to a clattering chain in the midde of the night. An expensive "Mantus shackle", whose plastic retainer soon breaks and it too regularly parts company with the chain. A dyneema soft shackle, that is a PITA to undo whilst leaning over the crossbeam fairlead in the dark. Whoops, the bloody thing has fallen overboard again. Back to the chainhook. Use shockcord or rope to keep it attached to the chain. Also a royal pain to undo when it comes up muddy in the dark.

There must be an easy, secure and convenient technology to attach chain to bridle. Help please.
__________________

__________________
tuskie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 02:16   #2
kcj
Registered User

Join Date: May 2012
Boat: corsair f31
Posts: 51
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Perfect? I think not- but this works for me ...

Short answer--icicle hitch. Thanks to all those on this forum where I got the idea

Long answer--
We have a cat . Two legs of bridle have thimbles on each end, one end is shackled to each end of crossbeam. The pendant is joined to the other ends by a loose anchor bend. All of this is basically 'permanent ' Having set the anchor using a secondary snubber, I attach the pendant to the anchor chain with the icicle hitch, throw the bridle overboard and let out enough chain for the bridle to take the loads.

We have used this for two seasons in sfla and Bahamas. Some blows to 40k, changing tides, bridle dragging (slack) on bottom and it has never failed. I can make the pendant as long as I want, replace the chafed parts eaSily (haven't had to yet), one less rattle point, nothing to lose and there is nothing to bang on the boat upon retrieval.

I can now tie it in 15 seconds or so. Undoing it takes a tad longer, but mostly because I am usually hanging over the crossbeam and rinsing sand out of the pendant.

Downside is it took me a while to have the image of the knot 'burned' in my memory, so initially tieing the knot took longer. Also it takes a while to train new crew how to do this. Ymmv

Cheers John
__________________

__________________
kcj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 03:07   #3
Registered User
 
Sandero's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Westchester/Northport LI
Boat: Shiva - Contest 36s
Posts: 4,250
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Never had my hook fall or fail. I do not use the hardware designated as a chain hook. Instead I use a "reefing hook" which is about 1/4" ss and a deep U which is inserted into the chain loop.

A snubber in most cases does not have to be as strong as the chain. I used some very stout 1" braid on braid nylon with a heavy mooring compensator. When the chain sees a lot of strain it goes taught and then the compensator will stretch. The snubber is led over the bow roller and tied off to a cleat.

Weakest link? I suppose the reef hook.

I have a mono and I don't use a bridal.
__________________
So little time.
Sandero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 04:07   #4
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 4,397
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Luggage tag a screw pin shackle onto the end of your bridle, & luggage tag a Spectra Loop through your anchor chain at the desired point. Then secure the shackle on your bridle to the luggage tagged Loop.

You can even use a large stainless carabiner in place of the shackle in order to avoid needing to screw anything. Or use a carabiner where screwing the gate in order to lock it is optional. Up to you, & there are some monsterously oversized carabiners, so no screwing is needed in order to get them up to your required WLL. Just don't drop'em overboard, they ain't cheap.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 05:18   #5
Registered User
 
epiic's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Boat: Jeanneau 409
Posts: 210
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Perfect solution? YES!

Mantus Chain Hook - Mantus Anchors

There is absolutely zero chance of this falling off...
__________________
2015 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 - 3 Cabin / 2 Head, Shoal Keel, Furling Main, Performance Genoa 135% with Tracks, Folding Prop, Bow Thruster, Air Conditioning, B&G Zeus2 Chartplotter, B&G Autopilot, B&G 4G Radar, B&G ForwardScan Sonar.
epiic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 05:23   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,810
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

My mantus chain hook has never fall even off ,even without the plastic gate
__________________
motion30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 06:11   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Buenos Aires
Boat: Bavaria Cruiser 46 2008
Posts: 48
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Yoy can use a small, cheap and common Alu 7075 carabiner (there are automatic and manual locking) that holds up to 7900 pounds, ask any rock climbing fan about them: fast, easy to use and reliable, or go with the bigger industrial ones. Don't know how much your boat will pull in a blow, but think a mid sized one can take the job without problems. Ask professional fishermen, they'll now better as they use them a lot to hook up traps and cages
__________________
Mariano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 07:01   #8
Marine Service Provider
 
newhaul's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: puget sound washington
Boat: 1968 Islander bahama 24 hull 182
Posts: 2,841
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Here is my 5 dollar answer
https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...lbums4805.html
Never had it fall off . And a lot cheaper than a mantus
__________________
Non illigitamus carborundum
newhaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 07:04   #9
Senior Cruiser
 
Suijin's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Annapolis MD; currently in Beaufort NC
Boat: Valiant 40
Posts: 2,262
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

In my experience it's not what hook you use but how big of a loop of slack chain you let out behind it. It's that weight that keeps it on.
__________________
Suijin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 07:10   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Buenos Aires
Boat: Bavaria Cruiser 46 2008
Posts: 48
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Take a look at this, should work

https://www.amazon.com/Kong-Heavy-Du.../dp/B001OPHGYS

Aluminum holds up to 8.992 pounds and steel up to 13.488
__________________
Mariano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 07:16   #11
Registered User
 
goat's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Everywhere (Sea of Cortez right now)
Boat: PSC Orion 27
Posts: 995
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Since I already have my dock line looped over a bollard post, I just tie the bitter end to the chain with a rolling hitch then let out more chain. I do it more to keep the chain from rubbing on my bobstay, but it works well as a snubber. My boat's so small everything has to have at least two uses, and I'm so stupid I have to keep things simple.

"I'm not a smart goat" to paraphrase Forrest Gump.
__________________
goat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 07:31   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2014
Boat: Shopping
Posts: 373
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuskie View Post
An expensive "Mantus shackle", whose plastic retainer soon breaks and it too regularly parts company with the chain.
There was a thread recently about the problem with the Mantus shackle plastic bit, and IIRC, Mantus responded that it was investigating other materials. Don't know whether Mantus has introduced an improvement yet.
__________________
Cottontop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 07:44   #13
Registered User
 
Mike OReilly's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 3,493
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

Rolling hitch. Simple and secure. I went through various hooks and attachments. Always had the problem of either falling off too easily, or being hard to attach/detach. A rolling hitch almost never lets me down (only when Iím lazy and donít do it right ).
__________________
Why go fast, when you can go slow.
Mike OReilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 08:36   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 604
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?

I too have used a rolling hitch in the past, but now while it's a little more trouble I do the following:

The bridle is made up using a 40 ft line and in the middle of that line I have an alpine butterfly loop permanently installed. Call this line # 1.

Line number 2 is also permanently tied. It is formed in a loop(about 5 feet in diameter) using a triple fisherman's bend.

I drop and set the anchor and then wrap line # 2 around the chain using a klemheist knot. I next take a large shackle and attach line #1 to #2. Next all I need to do is to let out more anchor line so that the bridle is taking the load.
__________________
lancelot9898 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-03-2017, 08:55   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 9
Re: Attaching anchor chain to bridle?



This is quick to get off and on so I don't loose weigh whilst pulling the anchor up. The bow can blown off without constant and moderate strain on the chain. So I don't want to stop for more than 2 or 3 seconds whilst pulling the anchor up. So timing is everything.
__________________

__________________
Ozifrog is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
anchor, bridle

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Attaching a Bridle or Snubber to Anchor Line Ocean Girl Multihull Sailboats 45 08-03-2017 12:36
Single Bridle off Anchor Roller vs Double Bridle with Chocks? sully75 Anchoring & Mooring 4 02-08-2014 16:14
Knot for Attaching Bridle to Rode cutlass Anchoring & Mooring 27 29-11-2012 14:27
Want To Buy: SS Hook / Shackle for Anchor Chain / Bridle lucseawalker Classifieds Archive 3 19-08-2011 08:05
Attaching Two Lengths of Chain ? CAELESTIS Anchoring & Mooring 36 16-04-2010 18:11


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 16:08.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.