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Old 15-03-2014, 21:18   #901
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

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Not Atolls decision, Ann, nor should it be, I reckon.

ON EDIT Also - if you scan back through the thread, I think there was also an English language Notice to Mariners issued, so no need (perhaps) to try to decode the Portuguese ...

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It's also clear that Atoll's and Ann's latest posts arrived simultaneously
quite correct,it was never my decision,rather my decision to give advice regarding the situation,that in turn led in part to this outcome and action of the owner who was unaware of boatys plight.

i also bow to JP's superiour knowledge of the islands he has lived and sailed amougst them for many years,and agreed that a degree of urgency was needed,and obviously passed this on to the owner.
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

Have noticed on this thread the cost of recovery of this boat would be big bucks.
In this particular case what is considered big buck?
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

Another problem with waiting is: What do you do if the Spot quits transmitting? Does that mean the batteries died? Does it mean they are having an emergency? Does it mean the tow crew won't be able to find them until they get within spitting (or peeing if you are a monkey) distance?

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Have noticed on this thread the cost of recovery of this boat would be big bucks.
In this particular case what is considered big buck?
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well so far, a weeks worth of food for 4 and sounds like $1000 buck in fuel for a 50 mile run. I would imagine another $3000-$4000 for 2 men and a boat
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Small price to ensure a $500k boat and crew safely make into port.
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It's clear that some value money over other more important things. If you feel that is directed at you personally, so be it
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It's clear that some value money over other more important things. If you feel that is directed at you personally, so be it
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

Perhaps I'm a bit dense (have been accused of much worse), but I don't understand the debate.

Atoll gave true and unbiased information to the owner of a half-million dollar boat essentially stalled out in front of an impending wx change for the worse.

That owner made a decision. That decision doesn't reflect on Boaties ability to reach Horta or not.

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Perhaps I'm a bit dense (have been accused of much worse), but I don't understand the debate.

Atoll gave true and unbiased information to the owner of a half-million dollar boat essentially stalled out in front of an impending wx change for the worse.

That owner made a decision. That decision doesn't reflect on Boaties ability to reach Horta or not.

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Well said.

I would only add, for what it's worth:

The (evidently serious) problems which are slowing the boat and rendering it vulnerable to current and weather vagaries are also unlikely to reflect on Boatie's abilities.

Delivery skippers with his skills and aptitudes generally (in my experience) get the very best out of situations not of their making.

Furthermore, they are generally not put in a situation which would enable them to diagnose these contingencies ahead of time.

... More's the pity ... but that's the way of the world, and does not reflect badly on the owners; everyone is perforce taking something of a gamble when boats change hands and locations at the same time.
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SNIFFF! My pretentious filter is full.
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I took that filter out and just let the pretentions flow out the through-hull.
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

I have read so many accounts of how people have learned so much from this thread. It has been interesting to be sure, almost like a live reality show in some ways but in the end its all speculation, no one knows for sure exactly what is happening. Yes we can see his position daily and we have had a little glimpse of problems via a notice to mariners but other than that bit of known the rest of the "information" has been made up by members on this site.
Just imagine if we were in the same space 15 years ago, none of this would be happening. There is better than an even chance that Boaty would have arrived late and there would be some stories pass at the local bar after his arrival, other than that, no drama.
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

Thirty minutes to B-hour in Horta (if it's on the UTC zone).
Can't tell much from the web camera on that Baysider link given by Atoll earlier, dark-thirty with lights in the harbor...
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late to the party here. Good on ya Atoll for facilitating a tow. Many successful passages have started/ended with a tow.

always good to learn from others experience, we'll learn the circumstances soon enough....
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Does the vessel have a tender with outboard? Maybe Phils plan is to limp as far as allows then use tender?
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