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Old 15-03-2014, 08:41   #811
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

JJ-I think you misread the securite message. The message only said he did not require assistance, not a request to not send assistance. You have to remember at whom the message is directed-the Marine Rescue Center in Horta. Asking for assistance from them is quite different than asking for assistance from BoatUS. If the rescue folks mobilize assets to come and get ya, they are bringing you back, they have far less concern about the boat.

Note also that whatever Boaty may request, the costs of those requests will be borne by the owner. Boaty may well feel he can get the boat into Horta, and he most likely can, although at the mercy of the winds and currents. He may well feel that calling for a tow would be spending his owner's money less than wisely. He has no communication with the owner and cannot know his owner's mind. So, his mindset is to get there as best he can without putting that expense on the owner. What Atoll has done is probably what Boaty would have done had he been in communication with the owner " Hey, I am out here 90+ miles from Horta, no engines, compromised sails, I can get there but the last 90 miles will take me 5 days, OK if I spend some of your $$ for a tow?" Atoll has given the owner the information to make that choice.
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

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i have him at 86nm at 12h 21 at 38".14' N and 30"19'W
(going from decimal to minutes will give an incorrect calculation.)

weather im not seeing any thing over 8knots for inshore waters till wednesday

Horta/Faial (38 31' N/28 43' W)

24 hrs Day 1 to 4 Day 5 to 8 48 hrs [P] 14 days [P]

Local T Sa Mar 15 Su Mar 16 Mo Mar 17 Tu Mar 18

a.m. E 3 kn S 6 kn S 5 kn S 8 kn
p.m. SE 5 kn S 7 kn S 5 kn S 7 kn
evening E 8 kn S 5 kn S 5 kn SW 7 kn
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Re: Atlantic Delivery

@Atoll the Cornish

38.24162 , -30.32819 March 15, 2014 5:21:56 AM PDT Last position

38.5796, -28.7164 HORTA (https://www.google.com/#q=Horta+lat+long)

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I'd like to know your weather source as well for future references. The GRIBS are ridiculously general for the area @ scale.

EDIT: Correction on the weather. Wrong units. Forecast 5-10kts till mid day Wed. From Mid W models forecast

GFS, WW3: 10-15
or
CMC: 15-20

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Re: Atlantic Delivery

Things may be getting better now but my experience is that most weather forecasting in offshore waters still leaves a lot to desire, many times very close and sometimes not worth a damn and often the gribs are the most variable.
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Wow, I go out on the town last night, and this morning I see atoll has offered some assistance to a fellow sailor, and some Monday-morning quarterbacking from others?? (what an exciting night you guys had...


1) Atoll...good show!!



2) And, for those worrying about hurting some sailors pride???
Relax a little....

I'll just relate a 100% true story...
When I was a kid cruising with my parents, as they determined I was old enough to understand and had proven myself mature enough to sail on long passages and stand a watch and/or work the foredeck, they gave me a good "talking to"...
They told me the first rule: DON"T FALL OFF THE BOAT! ('cause if you do, you'd probably never be found...ever)
And, then the second rule: DON'T LET FOOLISH PRIDE GET IN THE WAY OF BEING SAFE....ALWAYS CLIP-IN (harness) AND DON'T BE AFARID TO CRAWL ON-DECK, AS THE LIFE YOUR SAVING IS YOUR OWN!

Yes, that was just a little bit of what my parents taught me about offshore cruising/sailing, in the late 60's/early 70's....

And, while many folks seem to imply, or talk about, machismo and "true sailors", has it occurred to anyone that, for offshore sailing at least, they're not based on reality????
But rather are more myth!!!
(oh, I suppose that it's possible that some of these ideals, hyped by media and "the anonymity of the internet" might apply to some of those "round-the-can" sailors....but when crossing oceans, I just remember the lessons my parents taught me so many years ago....and, it's worked for me so far, lots of miles offshore even a few times across the Atlantic and I haven't fallen off the boat yet ....)





3) As for the owner not watching this thread, nor probably not paying attention to the Spot data....
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I'm surprised gobsmacked the owner was unaware. Great job Atoll!
I understand your amazement, but unfortunately, I'm not surprised at all...
I realize there's a LOT of posts here, but if you look at my post #278, on 27th Feb, you'll see what I mean....(they've got other things on their mind..)
Click here to read that post, with the details...including the owner's Cruiser's Forum postings...
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4) As for weather.....
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Were the gribs wrong? Is this just expected to have perhaps 10-15k over a large area but locally have different conditions?
Sparau, please understand that some of us, like me, do not use "grib's", but rather use synoptic charts, with forecasts drawn by trained/experienced ocean meteorologists...
I can't speak to whether the grib's were wrong, but the weather charts I was using were not wrong!!

In this case, I was using the US NWS/NOAA surface charts and wind/wave forecast charts (and some 500mb upper air charts), to accurately predict Boatman's route across the Atlantic (up until his turn towards the Azores, due to some mechanical / rigging problems).

I'm sure some here were using grib's (raw computer model data), but just wanted you to know that we don't all use 'em...




Fair winds to 'ya Phil!!!


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He probably wouldn't need the cat house in Horta then...
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WTF - Really? There's one on Horta! How'd my crew miss it.

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Jesu. Come on ladies and gentlemen. Whats with all this speculative analysis on what he should have brought or do, or the trembling drums of thunderous weather in the future if he doesn't?

Remember HE's out there making the judgement calls. YOU aren't. YOU don't know what the local conditions are like or have the right.
Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, IMO.
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Wow, I go out on the town last night, and this morning I see atoll has offered some assistance to a fellow sailor, and some Monday-morning quarterbacking?? (what an exciting night you guys had...
No more selfish indulgences for you.... Don't let it happen again...
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WTF - Really? There's one on Horta! How'd my crew miss it...
Blue Crab said so....
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Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, IMO.
You look old today, Palarran. Very old.
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@Atoll the Cornish

38.24162 , -30.32819 March 15, 2014 5:21:56 AM PDT Last position

38.5796, -28.7164 HORTA (https://www.google.com/#q=Horta+lat+long)

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I'd like to know your weather source as well for future references. The GRIBS are ridiculously general for the area @ scale.

EDIT: Correction on the weather. Wrong units. Forecast 5-10kts till mid day Wed. From Mid W models forecast

GFS, WW3: 10-15
or
CMC: 15-20

A lovely sail.
using weatheronline,and passageweather.

also wave forcast,showing an expanding millpond around the islands till wednesday

sailing europe atlantic (north) azores wind (gfs) + 0 utc

and at the airport in horta.

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/marin...03&CEL=C&SI=kn

latest new is the guys in horta can head out tomorrow once they get his latest position in the morning.
just waiting for owners approval regarding costs.
told them to take some beer and ciggies
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and, it's worked for me so far, lots of miles offshore even a few times across the Atlantic and I haven't fallen off the boat yet ....)
You know, I really hate it when sailors say that kinda ****. Scares the hell out of me thumb-nosing the gods and all.
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He might have knocked wood while pressing "send."
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Yes, I did...
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He might have knocked wood while pressing "send."
A piece of teak!!


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latest new is the guys in horta can head out tomorrow once they get his latest position in the morning.
just waiting for owners approval regarding costs.
told them to take some beer and ciggies
Alex, wonder if JP would be ok with sharing the costs of the "general good guy discounted fee" for 160 mi tow??? Simply curious....

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I'm with ya monkey...
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