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Old 21-06-2012, 17:23   #16
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Re: Anyone in San Diego area?

It's a huge project for sure. depends on what you are living to live with on the interior. An interior project of that scope can take a person a couple years working weekends and every possible night available. However, You could just use boat carpet as Sea Ray would! i'm reading there is NO interior right? no bulkheads etc?
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Old 21-06-2012, 17:32   #17
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There is some interior. There are all the bulkheads in great shape there is a head that I believe is useable im not 100% sure though. There is a fridge lots of space to walk around and lots of useable work space. The boat would be perfect for someone who knew what they were doing and had a space to do it. I know neither so I think I am leaning toward buying a smaller completed boat.
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Old 21-06-2012, 18:22   #18
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Re: Anyone in San Diego area?

Talk to Fritz Richardson of Pacific Offshore Rigging on Canon Street in Point Loma. He is very knowledgeable about multihulls and may provide some leads on used masts and rigging. He will also direct you to Bob Dixon, one of the most talented carpenters and fiberglass wizards, and multi sailors, around, anywhere.

Sadly, there are a number of big boats in the anchorages and mooring ball areas that sit there forever due to the difficulty of working away from a dock. Major projects are discouraged at local marinas.

It's going to take some big money to fix a big cat for cruising. A lot of big money. Trading down to something in the 35-40 range may be more achievable. Not to discourage, but it's not for the inexperienced or unprepared.

Is this the cat that was moored off Shelter Island, down by the Bali Hai? If you want to have a beer and talk more, send a PM.
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Old 22-06-2012, 22:53   #19
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Re: Anyone in San Diego area?

its the cat off shelter island
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Old 25-06-2012, 11:55   #20
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its the cat off shelter island
You mean the one that's at the mooring nicknamed "rock n' roll", with no mast? I go past that thing all the time and have wondered what the heck was going on with it.
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Old 25-06-2012, 11:56   #21
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Re: Anyone in San Diego area?

Yeah thats the one. Owner/builder passed away and she is for sale.
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Old 26-06-2012, 15:27   #22
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Interesting. Well at least you know she can hold on in a blow and doesn't take on water (or her pumps work great).

I've spent a bunch of time and money getting my boat ready for offshore work so that's the only part I'd caution you on. Money is relative though. $100K to me is a huge chunk of change that would take me ten years to save up, for someone else it's money they can afford to cut a check on right now.

It really just does come down to time and money. If you realistically know how much you'll need to spend in both departments and are good with that than everything else is simple. There are yards all over Shelter Island that can put that boat together for a circumnavigation in a month's time. You'll drop money faster than you can believe to make it happen, but it's not like boat yards do anything else than fix up boats.

Have you gotten some real estimates and lined that up against your bank account?
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Old 26-06-2012, 18:11   #23
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Yeah I told her to put it up on here, I have no where to store it or work on it.
So you bought it and are now going to sell it or the deal died and you advised owner to post it here - confused...

And yes you were in over your head...

And when you said help did you mean a buddy to come and work or someone to drink your beer and tell you what to do - LOl...

And my final brilliant thought repeated ad nauseum - the first step in boat ownership is deciding whether you want to work on boats or sail them. Big difference...
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Old 26-06-2012, 19:20   #24
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I wanted someone to come drink my beer and tell me what to do haha maybe lend an extra pair of hands. I just dont have the pocket book to get it where I want it in the time frame I want it in. I told the owner to advertise it here.
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Re: Anyone in San Diego area?

I was the general manager of Kettenburg Marine in the early 90's, the largest boatyard in San Diego. I think I can say, with some authority, that no yard, regardless of the size of the pocketbook, is going to get a vessel ocean-worthy in a month. Boats are complex associations of systems: hull and superstructure, mechanical and propulsion, electrical and electronics, sails and rigging, plumbing, tankage, habitation requirements, and cosmetics. Did I forget safety systems, auxiliary craft, storage and provision management? The boat in discussion has sat idle for some time, apparently without rudders and rigging, and the status of the interior is probably "transitional".

Whoever acquires this boat will have a big vessel, will need to locate it in a yard for some time to perform several of the operations needed to make it seaworthy, then they will need to hang out at a marina dock to allow the visits by myriad specialists to install and integrate the many parts and systems. Doing this on a mooring in one of the worst locations in San Diego Bay is not realistic in terms of getting the work performed in a timely and efficient (and cost-effective) manner. One person sent me a PM asking if he could swim out to the boat to check it out. I wondered how the neighbors and the authorities might respond to this form of visitation.

If anyone is truly serious about taking on a project of this magnitude, they need to realize that construction of the hull and superstructure, the parts that we can see from the outside, constitutes only one-third of the total cost of a boat. It's the systems contained aboard that kick up the cost and complication. The bigger the boat, the more costly, by a very large factor. One doesn't take on a project like this unless they intend to be successful, unless, of course, they haven't a clue of the consequences. Only one in three (or more) custom-built boats ever gets fully completed. It's sad, but true.
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When I was in San Diego I did a 3 month refit at Shelter Island
Boatyard and everything worked out fine. They allowed me to liveaboard too. That area has every marine service you ever thought of plus some that you didn't all within 3 streets. You can work on your boat in or out of the water and do anything non polluting. That means spray painting and bottom sanding are out.

Before blowing too much of the hard earned you should sketch out a budget to be sure you can afford all this. Even doing a lot of the work yourself the outlay might run as high as 150k. A bill of 50k just for the fully rigged mast and boom wouldn't surprise.

I'm afraid you need a hell of a lot more than kind words and extra hands.

Allow 6 months.
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When I was in San Diego I did a 3 month refit at Shelter Island
Boatyard and everything worked out fine. They allowed me to liveaboard too. That area has every marine service you ever thought of plus some that you didn't all within 3 streets. You can work on your boat in or out of the water and do anything non polluting. That means spray painting and bottom sanding are out.

Before blowing too much of the hard earned you should sketch out a budget to be sure you can afford all this. Even doing a lot of the work yourself the outlay might run as high as 150k. A bill of 50k just for the fully rigged mast and boom wouldn't surprise.

I'm afraid you need a hell of a lot more than kind words and extra hands.

Allow 6 months.
Shelter Island Boat Yard is the best in town; great people over there who offer a fair price and don't needle you on every cost. Because of that people end up voluntarily spending money to get things done. Best yard in the city by a long shot.
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They were no trouble with me. They even let one guy sand his own bottom but the yard workers had to build a plastic tent around his boat first.
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