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Old 14-12-2014, 08:41   #1
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Another Newbie.. More questions

Ok so have been a lurker here for some time..
So Hello!

A bit about me before I get to my questions.
I am a marine engineer and work on very large super yachts. I have been sailing since I was very short and could drive a 70ft sailboat before I had my car licence. I presently have a Jeanneau 44 (yes its a mono)
Years ago before I sold my soul and went to work on motor yachts I was being paid to sail and race. But this was almost 20 years ago. I have allot of beach cat experience (nationals in Hobie 16s, and 18s). But absolutely no sailing experience on bigger cruising cats.
I hate sailing slow.. Its something that just drives me bonkers.
I am ok with deck work and changing sails, Im not a lazy sailer. (also relatively young at 37)

So on to my questions.. I have been thinking of moving over to the Multi hull side. Its a pretty daunting step.. lol

I want a Fast and comfortable boat. I dont see the point of getting a slow cat. As my schedule is changing Its time to change boats to go exploring.
Most of my exploring will be in the normal tropical bands but I also have a real desire to do Patagonia and further south. (My work is now 2 months on and 2 off) so some pretty serious cruising is going to happen.



So Question.. what boats should I look at??
Perquisites, in order of importance.
1) Over 200Nm a day passage making (must be faster than a similar size mono)
2) Simple
3) Decent room for stores
4) Older boat as Im not loaded with cash
5) Strong for ocean passages and high latitudes
6) Comfort for the admiral ( depending who you ask number 1 and 6 are in the wrong place)
7) Good upwind performance. (daggerboards)
8) Not Fugly
9) 2 decent cabins and one not so good one.
10) Galley up


I have been looking at catana 48s and outremer 55lights.
Are there more boats that I should be looking at?

Thanks Oceaneer
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Old 14-12-2014, 09:19   #2
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Welcome -

What's your budget?

If you're considering an older Catana 48 you should also consider a 471. The previous owner took mine around the Horn in the wrong direction, east to west.

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1) Over 200Nm a day passage making (must be faster than a similar size mono)
Most large cruising cats are capable of 200 mile days. But this is hardly an average as it depends as much or more on the weather.

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Old 14-12-2014, 09:40   #3
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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Oceaneer.
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Old 14-12-2014, 10:01   #4
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Thanks 2Hulls..
Budget around 400K less is better more is possible for the right boat.
As for the 471.. I was under the impression that is was slower than the 48s?

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Old 14-12-2014, 10:15   #5
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Thanks 2Hulls..
Budget around 400K less is better more is possible for the right boat.
As for the 471.. I was under the impression that is was slower than the 48s?
I honestly don't know the performance difference, if any. Where'd you get that impression? There are fewer 48s around. But if your budget is not above US$500K you're not yet into the owner version 471 market anyway.

Regardless, if you're sincerely interested in Catanas, I suggest you get on the Catana yahoo group, CatanaCats, to get more info on the 48s and other models. If you're interested, send me a private message and I'll guide you on how to get on the group since the membership is controlled to limit spam.

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Old 15-12-2014, 09:31   #6
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So much depends upon your budget - older Privilges are very affordable as well - from 45ft upwards. They take a good load, are massively strong and sail OK. Similarly, they shall not devalue as they have reached market bottom.
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Old 15-12-2014, 09:37   #7
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So Question.. what boats should I look at??
Perquisites, in order of importance.
1) Over 200Nm a day passage making (must be faster than a similar size mono)
2) Simple
3) Decent room for stores
4) Older boat as Im not loaded with cash
5) Strong for ocean passages and high latitudes
6) Comfort for the admiral ( depending who you ask number 1 and 6 are in the wrong place)
7) Good upwind performance. (daggerboards)
8) Not Fugly
9) 2 decent cabins and one not so good one.
10) Galley up


I have been looking at catana 48s and outremer 55lights.
Are there more boats that I should be looking at?

Thanks Oceaneer

..similar situation than you is mine Oceaneer.. after a yer looking for we almost ready to choose an alpha 42 or a Neel 45.. brand new...
I would suggest you a 300K and tried to get a Belize 43..
200 miles/day is possible... but not always... and definitely you're paid a price on structure, sails and lines...
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The Privilage range are very tough and capable cats. Good load carriers, as well. If you look at the older Privilages they are quite affordable with your budget. Remember, what ever you buy you can easily spend a small fortune on 'upgrades' and rebuilds. Beware rigging, sails and motors (both propulsion and gen set) as these can swallow vast sums. We always consider that what ever the boat cost us we must be prepared to spend a further 30% on sorting out issues. We have just bought our new cat and shall wait and see what develops after sorting out known issues.
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In re: Catana. Crowther died in 1993. The parameters at Chantier Catana changed very drastically after his death. Earlier Catanas are very different animals than post-Crowther boats.

Other more performance-oriented brands to consider, not sure where you are budget-wise or where you would compromise on features, so I'm throwing them all out there:

Crowther's own marque
Barramundi
Étincelle
Shuttleworth
TRT
Ian Farrier of F-boat fame has done catamarans
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...sorry, hit return and then couldn't edit the post

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there are more, i've listed boats that i've seen personally
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Old 15-12-2014, 11:45   #11
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Wow thanks for all the replies.
Will tackle then one by one..

Older Privileges.. Im afraid that number 8, not fugly gets in the way as the admiral cant stand them. We went to see one at a boat show and she just laughed at me... so thats out

Alpha 42 and Neel 45.. will look.
The Beleze 43, I like the look of it but how do they sail.. no daggerboars.. ??

Bulawayo.. yes I have factored that into the price as a hold back.. Boats are expensive. And I get amazing deals from my job but still, boats are expensive.

JayBird.. thanks for the homework.. will start to look at those as well.

Ok thanks, Im off to the "interweb" lol to look
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[QUOTE=oceaneer;1700497]Alpha 42 and Neel 45.. will look. [/QUOTE

Alpha is not yet proven, had a bad start, and is out of your price range anyway.

The Neel 45 is a tri and seems to be a real contender. I bet it sails really well, but again, these are newer and out of your price range.

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Oceaneer,

Relative to the southern part of South America, there is a CF member, El Pinguino, spends much of his time in that region, and, although a monohull owner, was a professional sea man, and may have some valuable input for you about cats cruising in that area. Try a PM if he doesn't show up here.

Also, how about a Chris White Atlantic 42? IIRC, it doesn't tick the galley up box, though.

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Just wanted to get everyone's attention to point out that in order for your replies to get to the thread starter, rather than the last person to post, you have to click on to the person you want to send to. I am seeing at lot of misdirected posts.
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my cat is for sell every thing you say but fast ,,, 3 berths greatest live aboard boat i have ever seen in a sail boat ,, i lived on it bot no mopre asking 65,000 but will take a ny reasonable offer 42 foot solaris 1978
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