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Old 28-05-2014, 12:11   #1
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Alpha 42 Designer's Rebuttal

Gregor Trajan had this posted in Sailfeed recently. Interesting.

ABANDONING BE GOOD TOO: The Builder Responds | Sailfeed
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Hanging his clients out to dry. . . a real class act (not!!!). Does not inspire confidence. I, for one, , would not buy a boat from this forkwit.
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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

And the emergency rudder deck plate Mr Builder?? or its another Edson specification? LOL..
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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

It seems to me that the saga of the Alpha 42 is an excellent cautionary tale, combining bad elements from everyone involved, from the designer, to the builder, to owners, to captain. Then mix in the weather, a clock, and eager delivery team and you've got a potential disaster. The only people involved who were without sin were the SAR team, who did an outstanding job.
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Thanks Gregor for your response. As usual, some culpability goes to both parties. Glad to hear your side of the story.

BTW, I would happily own an Alpha cat.
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Gregor Trajan had this posted in Sailfeed recently. Interesting.

ABANDONING BE GOOD TOO: The Builder Responds | Sailfeed
He does make some valid points.. echo's of some of the posts back when it was fresh..
He can't be held responsible for dumb decisions made after the hand over..
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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

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Hanging his clients out to dry. . . a real class act (not!!!). Does not inspire confidence. I, for one, , would not buy a boat from this forkwit.
Hi, Dockhead,

what does "forkwit" mean? I can not Google it... Or Bing it...

I would neither buy a boat put into the production without:
  1. Naval architect
  2. Naval engineer
  3. Structural engineer
participating in the design process, and it appear to me this was the case...


Designer? O.K., Jimmy Choo is a designer...
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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

Its a tough thing to be the designer.

If what he said regarding conversations with the new owner were true, and the owner did not heed the advice to wait, with the subsequent results the blame/responsibility and nasty aftertaste would be left with the designer.

Im finding it difficult to not be sympathetic to the designer. His work, his effort, his integrity is in that vessel. He loved it, tested it, fixed it and wanted the best for and to see it end the way it did because of impatience, lack of preparation and stupidity must have tweaked his gonads.

I also liked the look of it....

Almost tempted to fly out there and find it for myself....
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Have they launched hull #2 yet???
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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

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Hi, Dockhead,

what does "forkwit" mean? I can not Google it... Or Bing it...
er.. change one letter in FORK ....
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I kinda like the design of the Alpha 42....
I guess you either do or you dont....
Its NOT traditional and its "in yer face!" but that is the appeal.



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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

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Hi, Dockhead,

what does "forkwit" mean? I can not Google it... Or Bing it...

I would neither buy a boat put into the production without:
  1. Naval architect
  2. Naval engineer
  3. Structural engineer
participating in the design process, and it appear to me this was the case...


Designer? O.K., Jimmy Choo is a designer...
Forkwit.

Bit like your term for deck candy/fluff. Can't spell it , can't goggle it.

Any one english based gets Dockhead's word even American English..

Clearly it doesn't translate to Polish.
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Re: ALPHA 42 DESIGNER'S REBUTTAL

I read the response elsewhere. My remaining question is what about the rudder that the shaft was spinning in the blade??????
He makes some good points, but one does desire a boat to be robust enough to prevail with some human errors.....
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er.. change one letter in FORK ....

Ah, yes, Corkwit. Got it now.

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He makes some good points, but one does desire a boat to be robust enough to prevail with some human errors.....
How many human errors? All boats will break given the right circumstances. No one knows, but I am still not convinced one or both of the rudders did not hit something in the water and were damaged and then were damaged even more when the boat was hit by a strong gust at the top of a wave and slid down the wave face backwards. It is even possible the rudders hit something sliding down the face of the wave backwards.

Bottom line for me is would I take a brand new boat across the ocean with limited tools, and limited experience with the boat, with a new crew knowing bad weather was likely, after not waiting for a part the boat maker said was needed.

Some folks may think they are a big tuna, but I am more like chicken of the sea.
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