A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by downunder

In the Tony Bullimore situation he was able to survive in the southern ocean only because he was inside the hull (losing his keel meant the mono floated) until his rescue.

Surely not, pundits here would have us believe the upturned vessel would be full of toxic waste, surging waves, smashed out jagged bulkheads and no air to breath.

[downunder]

Originally Posted by cat man do

Surely not, pundits here would have us believe the upturned vessel would be full of toxic waste, surging waves, smashed out jagged bulkheads and no air to breath.

You are right there are some.

[Nadejda]

I find it interesting that there is so much animosity on both sides of this isle. Multi-hulls are the relative new kid and as such get the discriminating look from the old established crowd. I would think this should be expected, not saying it is right, just to be expected. Over the decades since they came into vogue many multi-hulls have proven that they can be sailed anywhere someone wants to go and as such the seaworthy argument should start to wane. As a mono guy myself I personally lust over the room on a multi and love that aspect of their design. To be honest when looking for a boat I did not consider a mulit-hull as I was ignorant about them and stuck with what I knew better. I think to compare such a base design difference across the whole spectrum is ludicrous at best. There are some mono-hulls that would take way more than 90-95% of the production multi-hulls and there are mono-hulls that could be sunk by hitting a small log. You just can't compare one to the other with out specific information on the two boats being discussed. There are just too many factors at play to have a logical discussion at this level. I think there a lot of boats out there that have no business leaving the docks regardless of how many hulls they have.

[Lagoon4us]

First yacht design i fell in love with was based on a Colin Archer Redinskoite? Moved from that to Herreshoff for the sheer line beauty, Duncanson also attracted.

Joe Adams here in Australia was heavily influenced with the same and it showed in his designs. I built a dozen or so in steel and ally mostly round bilge.

Crowthers 'Shotover' design incorporated the powerful, confidence building front sections. I hate reverse sheers they scare me.

I agree with your comments in total this thread was set as a cartoon comment then discussion started regarding the usefulness of an overturned multi as protection. An overturned multi may turn out to be absolutely perfect as a shelter (as Cat-man-do pointed out) or it may end up a shitfight, however it will still offer a modicum of support to a desperate crew.

Some mono's may offer the same, some may not, i saw no real angst here other than one or two contributors that really makes you wonder why they would offer comment at all.

As i said previously we are as a race tribal and this theme follows through the boats we choose, our cars, sport, music etc etc. Everyone believing they have the answers.

Me i just love living on a boat able to change my neighbours/scenery whenever i wish.

Cheers....

[minaret]

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As i said previously we are as a race tribal and this theme follows through the boats we choose, our cars, sport, music etc etc. Everyone believing they have the answers.


Cheers....[/QUOTE]



Look up recent research on something they are calling "modal bias". This is what makes people in cars honk at cyclists, cyclists disrespect cars, motorcycles think everyone ignores them, trucks think everyone should get out of their way, etc etc. It is natural for everyone to be bias'd towards their mode of transportation. The research is interesting. You can take someone out of one mode and into another and their bias changes on the spot. The car driver who hates cyclists will immediately reverse his tune when put on a cycle. It's funny how little in control of themselves people really are.


“We find comfort among those who agree with us, and growth among those who don’t.” — Frank A. Clark

[Lagoon4us]

Agree on the model bias, a preservation instinct that gives some comfort to the tribe.

However the cartoon was posted, it was very funny good love to see some one line captions flow, BOTH WAYS......

[IslandHopper]

Me personally, i don't care what floats your boat, whether that be one two three or ten hulls, i just don’t care, i just enjoy a good pisstake......

I would say half of my good sailing mates have multis and the rest have monos and are always ribbing each other, it’s always good natured and NEVER taken seriously, life’s just too short for that, and the type of boat you choose for yourself just isn’t that important to anyone else.....not to me anyhow...

Again, I don’t care what anyone’s preference is, that’s there buisiness not mine (or yours), so please don’t dictate to others that their preference is wrong and yours is right.......and maybe you to will all get along......like me and me mates......

[Lagoon4us]

Totally agree there... Cheers

[deckofficer]

Not a monohull or multihull, but submerged hulls. So ugly, only an oil baron would give it a thumbs up. And hull efficiency, to hold over the hole with 40 kt of wind and 3 kt of current, I would burn 1,000 gallons of diesel (not bunker) per hour. At 32,000 tons, after this, I'll embrace any mono or multi.

[Talbot]

Originally Posted by Nadejda

I find it interesting that there is so much animosity on both sides of this isle. Multi-hulls are the relative new kid and as such get the discriminating look from the old established crowd. ............

Hmm - Ocean going vessels by the polynesians predate most other large boats.




I seem to recall that the polynesian craft were all multihulls!

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Talbot

I seem to recall that the polynesian craft were all multihulls!

I thought you were younger.........

[tamicatana]

Apparently folks don't know that not only did the Polynesians colonize the entire Pacific on multihulled craft, they sailed to weather (sprit rigs), for hundreds (thousands, actually about 3,000) of years before the West figured it out. The Arabs also had weatherly craft, if monohulled.

A friend of mine has been lucky enough to travel along with the Hokule'a on their trips (on the escort boat, he's haole ha ha). He met Mau Piailug, how lucky was that? In any case, the Polynesian Voyaging Society is doing some kewl stuff, check 'em out
Polynesian Voyaging Society Home

I'm damned if I understand the reticence amongst westerners to credit the marine accomplishments of what were damned sophisticated sailors, even if they were 'primitive' read 'not white.' I guess the prejudice goes on.

(yes, come to think, even amongst ourselves: Ian Farrier insists on calling outrigger hulls 'floats' instead of 'amas' etc.)

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by tamif27

I'm damned if I understand the reticence amongst westerners to credit the marine accomplishments of what were damned sophisticated sailors, even if they were 'primitive' read 'not white.' I guess the prejudice goes on.

Hmm, bit of a thread drift but I agree, however, don't forget it was the Vikings that found N America way before that Italian chap who worked for the Spanish Church claimed it. Oh the Vikvings sailed a mono didn't they

Worth bearing in mind the devil doesn't have one or two hulls, but carries a 5 Iron for hitting a little ball around an artifical green landscape. That's the real competition.

Finally yes a multihull would be fab, sadly, the prices are just way out of reach for so many folks.

Pete

[tamicatana]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Hmm, bit of a thread drift but I agree, however, don't forget it was the Vikings that found N America way before that Italian chap who worked for the Spanish Church claimed it. Oh the Vikvings sailed a mono didn't they

As I understand it, left coast was discovered by the Polynesians a fair bit before the Vikes got over to the right coast, as evidenced by the DNA in the tribes now extant (Haida etc)

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by tamif27

I'm damned if I understand the reticence amongst westerners to credit the marine accomplishments of what were damned sophisticated sailors, even if they were 'primitive' read 'not white.' I guess the prejudice goes on.

I think you are confusing prejudice for not knowing or not caring. Probably linked onto the fact that, notwithstanding any sailing accomplishments, the civilisation(s) were not very successful. (not to say that makes 'em better or worse).

FWIW where I come from (Europe), most of the population ain't exactly what I would call white. And AFAIK that ain't a general reason for disparaging the sailing accomplishments of folks. Hell, one of them even (re)discovered America - and we don't even hold that against him ......driving skills on the other hand .

(yes, come to think, even amongst ourselves: Ian Farrier insists on calling outrigger hulls 'floats' instead of 'amas' etc.)

A few other differences of opinion amongst the Multihole crowd:-

Wharrams vs "modern" Catamarans.

New Generation vs old style Catamarans.

Coastal Cruisers vs Blue Water Capable.

Bigger vs Smaller.

Cheaper vs more Expensive.


A few of those shared with the Mono crowd