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Old 19-02-2012, 04:39   #76
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Re: A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate

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So let me get the logic of your argument, One multi person starts a joke thread, based on a cartoon, and that means that all multi owners now have something to prove.
Sorry if my comment upset you Factor, I thought the OP posted on the multihull thread not the joke thread.

Enjoy your cat down under... Down there I suppose you're used to sailing upside down anyway.
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Re: A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate

Did you actually read the first post? Your comment didn't upset me, it just came from a school of logic, with which I am unfamiliar in toto. I suppose you think we have to sail uphill to get into the northern hemisphere as well?
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Old 19-02-2012, 05:06   #78
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Did you actually read the first post? Your comment didn't upset me, it just came from a school of logic, with which I am unfamiliar in toto. I suppose you think we have to sail uphill to get into the northern hemisphere as well?
It's logical that you need to sail uphill from (toto?) in Aussie, just look at any map or globe...

Got to admit though multihulls do have some uses:
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Old 19-02-2012, 13:33   #79
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Re: A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate

LMAO soon there will be questions raised as to why there is an unfair amount of multihulls depicted in the CF banner?????
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LMAO soon there will be questions raised as to why there is an unfair amount of multihulls depicted in the CF banner?????
Dam you!!! i was saving that one, it was going to be my hammer blow in exposing the rampant discrimination that the monohull community is subjected to....
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Re: A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate

Incoming first salvo from the mono hullers

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Dam you!!! i was saving that one, it was going to be my hammer blow in exposing the rampant discrimination that the monohull community is subjected to....
NO the hammer blow was those are not floats you can see around the cats they are actually mastheads!!!!!!!
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Incoming first salvo from the mono hullers

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NO the hammer blow was those are not floats you can see around the cats they are actually mastheads!!!!!!!
So are you saying Multi's have resorted to sinking Mono's in their quest for world domination?!?!?!

The bastards!!!!
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So are you saying Multi's have resorted to sinking Mono's in their quest for world domination?!?!?!

The bastards!!!!
Like a game of battleships but the advantage is it only takes one hit!!!! lol......

This could end up 64 pages of singular hull vehemence!!!!!
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This could end up 64 pages of singular hull vehemence!!!!!
Nah, all the moderators on CF sail monos

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How do you get oxygen into the hull of an overturned cat? Wouldn't opening the escape hatch let air out and water in until the escape hatch is just below the surface of the water? ...and then again, how do you get oxygen into the hull? How do you keep from getting hypothermic swimming around in there? How do you deal with the possibility of diesel fuel slopping around in there?

If you prefer to be outside, again, how do you deal with hypothermia? How do you secure yourself to a slick inverted hull in any kind of seas? How do you get potable water? How do you get food?

I think there are a number of unanswered questions about remaining with a capsized cat versus getting in a raft. Maybe some of you have answers?
read the stories/books of those who have.
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I was just reading about a Atlantic 42 that flipped in 2006. As the boat went over the owner walked up the walls and wound up standing on the ceiling. He remained dry for the 1.5 hrs it took until the CG got there. He used his cell phone to call the CG.
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I was just reading about a Atlantic 42 that flipped in 2006. As the boat went over the owner walked up the walls and wound up standing on the ceiling. He remained dry for the 1.5 hrs it took until the CG got there. He used his cell phone to call the CG.

Certainly not something anyone would chose but some have done it sucessfully.

In the Tony Bullimore situation he was able to survive in the southern ocean only because he was inside the hull (losing his keel meant the mono floated) until his rescue.
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Re: A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate

It's hard to understand why every mono/multi debate comes to the fact that wether the mono is better off when knocked down 180 degrees or a multi going turtle. None of them are a pleasant experiences but thanks God, these are very extreme cases. But hitting something is much more likely and under these conditions I would prefer to b e on a boat with a positive buoyoncy, hence a multi. A small hole in a mono is enough to send you down in a matter of minutes, while I have seen a multi (Athena 38) with 1 m hole in one hull still floating.. I sailed all kind of monos and raced with them, it's probably more fun to heel for couple of hours but not for long passages. You can also learn sailing better on mono as get much more feedback from the boat.
All in all, there are times I like to be on mono or times I feel much more confident on catmaran. If I were to go above/below 40 lattitudes I'd rather be on a steel 60 ft mono. (and with competent crew..) I took my cat on my way to Caribbean the 44ft cat with my wife and we could enjoy so far all the positive attribute of the cat: shollow waters, no rolling at anchor, easy manoeuvring under power, watching movies in our fast passage in the saloon when it was cold and rough outside in the Med in December and above all with our wine bottle always on the table since Marmaris up to Guadaloupe
As far as the speed goes; I was only overtaken once; by a 80 ft super yatch near Bequia. I've read her speed on my AIS as 14.8 kts when I was doing 11 kts..
Monos have two distinnctive advantage over cats: most people find their look much sexier than the cats and the helm feedback.. One can also add the upwind ability but this is open debates; most of the modern cats (particularly the ones with daggerboards) are sailing upwind much better than many average cruising monos.
After all, we should accept that something good to us may not be so for others and I personaly respect everyones views when it comes to how to sail.
I have different opinions though for motor yachts..
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