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Old 16-02-2012, 14:38   #16
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Should re-post it with the caption removed and invite new captions????
Brilliant post number 2, great idea
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That's why you go inside. BTW you won't be dry in a liferaft.
Huh???

How do you get inside w/o getting wet and with water all around your feet. Where do you sit/sleep?
A life raft can be bailed out, dried out and closed up. And if you need to look out, you can peek out thru a seam. You can signal out of a life raft but how from the inside of an overturned hull?

How do you see out, or if there is actually a rescue coming?

I don't get it! The hull is most likely scrap after a turtle so why even stay aboard.

Even if I had a multi I'd still goto the life raft!!!!!


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Huh???

How do you get inside w/o getting wet and with water all around your feet. Where do you sit/sleep?
A life raft can be bailed out, dried out and closed up. And if you need to look out, you can peek out thru a seam. You can signal out of a life raft but how from the inside of an overturned hull?



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Tell that to the sailors that died in the Sydney to Hobart who had "Death" rafts shredded, capsized and even blown away before they had an opportunity to get in them.

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I'd rather be in a life raft w/all its amenities
Amenities ?
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Old 16-02-2012, 15:02   #19
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Tell that to the sailors that died in the Sydney to Hobart who had "Death" rafts shredded, capsized and even blown away before they had an opportunity to get in them.


Amenities ?
Sounds as though they were doomed, no matter what they had/did!
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delmarrey. Please. Read the two books I suggested above.
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Huh???

How do you get inside w/o getting wet and with water all around your feet. Where do you sit/sleep?
A life raft can be bailed out, dried out and closed up. And if you need to look out, you can peek out thru a seam. You can signal out of a life raft but how from the inside of an overturned hull?

How do you see out, or if there is actually a rescue coming?

I don't get it! The hull is most likely scrap after a turtle so why even stay aboard.

Even if I had a multi I'd still goto the life raft!!!!!


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We have an area under a bunk where we can stay dry even with the boat inverted. From there we have access to food clothing and water.

Maybe you should read the story of the Rose Noelle, and compare that to David callahan's story. The upturned tri was a far better liferaft than the liferaft was...

How do you figure the hull is scrap? many racing cats and tri's are re-righted and continue racing. One tri drifted all the way across the Atlantic upside-down, and was washed up on a beach where it's owner found it, fixed it and raced it again...

You know if rescue was coming when they knock on the hull - like Tony Bullimore - he survived in the deep Southern ocean because his boat stayed afloat.
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As a mono owner even tho i prefer monos, I sure as **** would prefer to sit inside an overturned cat than in a life raft,
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As a mono owner even tho i prefer monos, I sure as **** would prefer to sit inside an overturned cat than in a life raft,

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Speaking of overturned cats, has any bright spark thought of painting the underside of the cat, not the hulls, a life raft yellow/ orange so that it would be more visible in adverse conditions?
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Speaking of overturned cats, has any bright spark thought of painting the underside of the cat, not the hulls, a life raft yellow/ orange so that it would be more visible in adverse conditions?
Have seen several done over the years
Even seen one with name and rego upside down on rear beam for easier identification.
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Old 16-02-2012, 15:47   #27
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Speaking of overturned cats, has any bright spark thought of painting the underside of the cat, not the hulls, a life raft yellow/ orange so that it would be more visible in adverse conditions?

Actually very common in race boats. Some are even required to have an escape hatch in the hull.
I would think an overturned multi would be a very hazardous environment to stay in, depending on size and gear. Think of all the overturned batteries, fuel leaking from tanks that aren't meant to be inverted, holding tanks, the contents of every cupboard aboard, all the cushions, etc. All floating around in a toxic swill around your ankles. If you have a multi that has been carefully designed to be safely inverted, that's one thing, but I think the vast majority of cruising multi's don't fall into that group. In the short term a life raft would probably be more comfortable than most overturned multi's, IMHO. If you plan on staying adrift for months like Callahan or the Rose Noelle crew did, pick the multi. Personally I think I'd rather die than survive what they did.
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Re: A true end to the multi vs mono debate

That cartoon looks like it was originally lifted from Jim Brown's "Case for the Cruising Trimaran", an excellent read and responsible for my fascination with multihulls. The book is full of similarly cool cartoons, some poking gentle fun at monos. The tone was kept light and the final cartoon, IIRC, was of a trimaran with it's port ama draped affectionately over a mono as they faced the sunset.
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Actually very common in race boats. Some are even required to have an escape hatch in the hull.
I would think an overturned multi would be a very hazardous environment to stay in, depending on size and gear. Think of all the overturned batteries, fuel leaking from tanks that aren't meant to be inverted, holding tanks, the contents of every cupboard aboard, all the cushions, etc. All floating around in a toxic swill around your ankles. If you have a multi that has been carefully designed to be safely inverted, that's one thing, but I think the vast majority of cruising multi's don't fall into that group. In the short term a life raft would probably be more comfortable than most overturned multi's, IMHO. If you plan on staying adrift for months like Callahan or the Rose Noelle crew did, pick the multi. Personally I think I'd rather die than survive what they did.
I don't think a anyone plans to stay adrift it just happens. The sailors in the Rose Noelle faired quite a bit better than Callahan In his life raft. Im amazed there are people out there that believe a life raft would be habitable. Usually when one abandons ship the conditions are atrocious. Would I rather in the inverted multi in high winds and 30' seas or rolling down the swells in a life raft? If you lucky enough that your raft opens and will hold air. To me it's a no brained.
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I don't think a anyone plans to stay adrift it just happens. The sailors in the Rose Noelle faired quite a bit better than Callahan In his life raft. Im amazed there are people out there that believe a life raft would be habitable. Usually when one abandons ship the conditions are atrocious. Would I rather in the inverted multi in high winds and 30' seas or rolling down the swells in a life raft? If you lucky enough that your raft opens and will hold air. To me it's a no brained.

In 30' seas rolling down the swells, yes I would prefer to be zipped into my immersion suit in a good quality soft life raft with epirb and plb and vhf and all the other moder SAR amenities to rolling about in a small dark hard compartment half full of sharp corners, toxic water, and potentially large, heavy, or sharp objects like broken glass, loose batteries, floor panels, a potentially broken loose engine, etc. etc. Sounds like a great way to get beat to death by the contents of your own boat to me. Fine for race boats, but given the amount of gear and systems aboard the average cruiser, I wouldn't want to do it in most without serious forethought and planning.
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