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Old 14-04-2016, 03:20   #91
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Re: 45' (or so) Performance Cruising Catamaran

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I dont know what your smoking mate but it must be good!

The water layers move in the direction of the wind??? Are you talking about waves or some other phenomenon? If so what have you named it??

Daggerboards are high aspect/ low drag adjustable leeway reduction device

They dont act against waves. They reduce leeway from the sail plan.

Yes they would be better at sailing off a lee shore but that is not the reason for them. Thats according to my boats french owners manual at least.

BTW it also says my draft with boards up is 80cm INCLUDING rudders. If anything its a little bit less than that. Kick up rudders would be maybe 30cm less again.

I very much doubt a bit of wind wave action from escaping the said lee shore would break my boards. How are these waves any different to waves anywhere else? We arent talking about sailing in the breakers are we?

If so pass the crack pipe please i need a toke....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Old 14-04-2016, 03:48   #92
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you are flying on cheap stuff. it's going to kill you one day.
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Old 14-04-2016, 04:00   #93
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you are flying on cheap stuff. it's going to kill you one day.
What you're the humor police too huh? You're doing a crap job because I'm still laughing.
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What you're the humor police too huh? You're doing a crap job because I'm still laughing.
keep going. it is healthy.
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Old 14-04-2016, 07:40   #95
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Good to see you have a sense of humour arsen

Phisa 42 is a lengthened catana 401

The guys in the pic are typical swarthy greeks (ie shortish) so call the draft head to knee height. Have a measure.



The guys in the next pic followed us into the beach a bit close. Just waved when we tried to stop em
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Old 15-04-2016, 01:41   #96
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Good to see you have a sense of humour arsen

Phisa 42 is a lengthened catana 401

The guys in the pic are typical swarthy greeks (ie shortish) so call the draft head to knee height. Have a measure.



The guys in the next pic followed us into the beach a bit close. Just waved when we tried to stop em
nice boat! enjoy your draggerboards. Look cool
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Old 17-04-2016, 19:45   #97
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I am a big fan of the Catana. I commissioned a 43 Far Niente in 2000, and owned Tramontana, the sister ship once named Brightwing.
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Hello Christine and welcome to this forum. Have fun with the multihull threads - they are a real treat 90% of the time.

FYI, I'm from Macatawa and Kalamazoo
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Old 01-05-2016, 20:42   #99
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I sailed the balance 451 today. We were getting a little push from current but were hitting 9 knts in 12 knts wind with skreecher up. Fit and finish was very nice. is the OP still considering balance?

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Old 02-05-2016, 10:59   #100
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Check out a couple videos I just posted on the Outremer 4x and Nautitech Open 46 from the LGM show a few weeks ago:




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Interesting read... I have just finished fitting out a 11.7 Mark Pescot Whitehaven catamaran. In reality we're 11.85m, and around 4 tonne, second hand sails (from the sister ship), dagger boards, honda 20 outboards and fixed rudders. I live on board and sail a lot.
I built the interior in foam so it's very light, we carry 140l of fuel and 500l of water without any problem and are really only just on our lines due to bringing all the live aboard stuff on (like my office)
I love the sailing and the dagger boards make a huge difference, we're sailing 32 apparent when hard on the wind and doing up to 10-11 knots in 15-20 of wind. She's particularly good beating into a decent sea in about 20-25 knots of breeze. There aren't a lot of monos who sail higher than us. I've taken her out in 6m seas and 35-40 knot winds and she beat into that at 8-9 knots with 3 reefs and semi rolled up genoa. Had the boards all the way down going out--these ones are not going to break but they do have sacrificial ends on them. Coming back surfing down the seas, we needed to pull the boards half way up as at over 20 knots they were taking over, half way up we steered like we were on rails. Going downwind, raising the boards gives us about a knot extra
While the comparisons with other boats is unfair as we are so light, we constantly pass Seawind 11.60s and caught up and passed a new Outremer 45 sailing down the coast (neither of us had spinnakers). The sister ship is faster than us but she has brand new very roachy sails (of which I am insanely jealous).

She's built of western red cedar and foam epoxy.
I beach her regularly particularly to do oil changes and she needs about knee deep water to float in.
The price I pay is that we don't have as much room as other 40 footers, particularly storage. But for 2-3 of us long term cruising, we'll be fine. The cases inside are not really a problem, I've built storage behind (building them was not fun) but I guess we are used to them as we don't notice the loss of space. We do have full headroom, 2 queens, a double and two singles.
So I don't have any answers, there are always trade offs in a boat, I'm extremely happy with the choices I made; we sail fast and well, have all the space I need and I have to say I love the simplicity and reliability of the outboards--though I do miss the hot water aspect...The push us into 35 knot winds still at 6 knots, no folding props, no anodes and no drag--but they do use more fuel--oh and they were 3 times cheaper.
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Morph (Phil), You have my full support!

Prospective catamaran Owners can be divided by two groups:

1) those who seemingly buy for themselves, but in fact buy for the others,
because main purchase criteria is boat saleability in the next few years.
Brand name becomes extremely important in this case because "John, or
Pete, or Matthew will not like unknown builders".

These Owners are happy both when they buy and when they sell.


2) those who actually buy (in fact build) for themselves. Purpose, hull
materials, building quality and equipment are at the first place then.
Reliable yard, can be very small yard but duly experienced with chosen
materials is the key point here.

These are happy only when they buy.

All above is IMHO!

Fair winds to all!
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Morph (Phil), You have my full support!

Prospective catamaran Owners can be divided by two groups:

1) those who seemingly buy for themselves, but in fact buy for the others,
because main purchase criteria is boat saleability in the next few years.
Brand name becomes extremely important in this case because "John, or
Pete, or Matthew will not like unknown builders".

These Owners are happy both when they buy and when they sell.


2) those who actually buy (in fact build) for themselves. Purpose, hull
materials, building quality and equipment are at the first place then.
Reliable yard, can be very small yard but duly experienced with chosen
materials is the key point here.

These are happy only when they buy.

All above is IMHO!

Fair winds to all!
I'm in the second category, and it's true I will be sad when I finally have to sell my boat. But the second category may also be happy when they are sailing. I am.

Just IMHO.
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:49   #105
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i'm also in the market for a 40-45 multihull.. similiar requirements.. trade off between speed/comfort..you might try a look at the Neel trimaran... I've been on it at the boat show.... quite roomy, fast, and comfortable. there is one in the Annapolis area.. just a thought.
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