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18-09-2015, 14:58
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psychfeld
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon Coast & Ft. Lauderdale
Boat: Lagoon 420
Posts: 112
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
thanks so much for this link. I sure appreciate the kind hearted folks who give their time, energy and thoughts into this site/community.
18-09-2015, 15:06
#
62
psychfeld
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon Coast & Ft. Lauderdale
Boat: Lagoon 420
Posts: 112
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
good suggestion Ken, I've been watching their trip vids - great way to get sample of life onboard
18-09-2015, 15:09
#
63
psychfeld
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon Coast & Ft. Lauderdale
Boat: Lagoon 420
Posts: 112
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
yes, there are tons of lagoons out there! what kind of 43 cat did you choose if I may ask? how do you like what you got?
19-09-2015, 01:55
#
64
Bulawayo
Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cruising Indian Ocean / Red Sea - home is Zimbabwe
Boat: V45
Posts: 1,352
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
smj
Would the Island Spirit be "Hanalei Moon" the original strip plank
plug
for the Island Spirit 35?
Sent from my
iPad
using Cruisers Sailing Forum
Its a bit off subject but I would love to know what happened to big one-off cold moulded Island Spirit which is somewhere between 44' & 52' depending on the telling.
19-09-2015, 04:18
#
65
Bulawayo
Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cruising Indian Ocean / Red Sea - home is Zimbabwe
Boat: V45
Posts: 1,352
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
belizesailor
Never got around to meeting the folks on the IS, and dont
recall
the
boat
name, we were just in the same anchorage for a couple of nights...then they took off to SAIL to somewhere else...crazy people, dont they know better!
Pic was taken earlier this year in San Blas,
Panama
.
Carrying a
drogue
is probably a bit like putting on your rain
gear
...not gonna rain for sure. Leave the
drogue
ashore and youre probably gonna get hammered. Ive been carrying a drogue around for a long time and yet to really need it. Important option for a cat
offshore
to have though I think. I have considered deploying it when surfing was getting a bit too brisk for comfort, but have not (I think a device you could rapidly deploy on a cat, like right at the moment you break into that high pucker factor surf has potential...somethink like a metal grid near the stern under the bridge
deck
that could be dropped by pulling a lever and then raised easily...just an idea at this point). Put the
sea anchor
in
storage
years ago...might load it back aboard if going transoceanic, but not for near coastal.
Hi
Belize
,
We now own a Jordan series drogue which we bought early last year. When Dave (Ace Sails)
sold
it to us we opted for the
dyneema
hybrid version and also had Dave fit Tylaska J locks. The
bridle
is also
dyneema
. We had some chainplates made up, with
backing plates
and then kept the drogue in its waterproof bag on the aft platform but with the
bridle
already clipped onto the dedicated chain plates. The bag was also tied on. To deploy the drogue was then only a question of dumping the chain weight
overboard
and the weight simply pulled the drogue out of the bag. Very easy and simple.
We had used our parachute
anchor
once in the South Atlantic but I was never happy setting it and I was concerned about it pulling out of the wave face. The series drogue is certainly more expensive to buy but is very easy to use & which means you do actually use it; there are no worries about it wave jumping and it should prove to be more robust.
We have actually used our drogue and we are very comfortable to recommend it.
19-09-2015, 15:16
#
66
belizesailor
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,486
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bulawayo
Hi
Belize
,
We now own a Jordan series drogue which we bought early last year. When Dave (Ace Sails)
sold
it to us we opted for the dyneema hybrid version and also had Dave fit Tylaska J locks. The bridle is also dyneema. We had some chainplates made up, with
backing plates
and then kept the drogue in its waterproof bag on the aft platform but with the bridle already clipped onto the dedicated chain plates. The bag was also tied on. To deploy the drogue was then only a question of dumping the chain weight
overboard
and the weight simply pulled the drogue out of the bag. Very easy and simple.
We had used our parachute
anchor
once in the South Atlantic but I was never happy setting it and I was concerned about it pulling out of the wave face. The series drogue is certainly more expensive to buy but is very easy to use & which means you do actually use it; there are no worries about it wave jumping and it should prove to be more robust.
We have actually used our drogue and we are very comfortable to recommend it.
I have a similar set up, except a
Delta
Drogue. Ive gone as far as to set the drogue up, ready to deploy, but never quite got to the point I felt it was necessary. Two heavy thru bolted pad eyes on stern. Dogue sits on a ledge on the stern, just unlash and dump over. It is rigged with a section of chain to reduce chance of coming out of a wave and also helps to deploy.
I did get to the point once that my late wife told me I had to slow the
boat
down...really crushed my groove...I was having a blast. Would have been a good time to test out the drogue, but winds were only about 35 knots so easy enough to reef more instead.
20-09-2015, 08:57
#
67
Mark424
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Boat: Harbor 20, Seawind 1370 (2024)
Posts: 321
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
psychfeld
Is a 38 too small to take on atlantic and/or pacific crossings?
No.
Read
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
It's from 1990, but timeless wisdom. Seas,
wind
,
weather
is still the same and if anything most things have gotten easier and quality is better. There was a time most people circumnavigated in 30-35' monos. So a 38' cat is down right palatial.
Don't get me wrong, I like big boats. I stumbled across this book after returning from a
charter
of a
Catana
50 - that boat was just "too big", it was great sailing, but the
sails
,
sheets
, and everything required me to get help for many things I would have otherwise done myself. Many people do it, but there is zero manhandling anything on this boat in a big blow.
I'm looking at the
Maine Cat
38. but that's a very personal choice.
20-09-2015, 09:49
#
68
Bulawayo
Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cruising Indian Ocean / Red Sea - home is Zimbabwe
Boat: V45
Posts: 1,352
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mark424
No.
Read
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
It's from 1990, but timeless wisdom. Seas,
wind
,
weather
is still the same and if anything most things have gotten easier and quality is better. There was a time most people circumnavigated in 30-35' monos. So a 38' cat is down right palatial.
Don't get me wrong, I like big boats. I stumbled across this book after returning from a
charter
of a
Catana
50 - that boat was just "too big", it was great sailing, but the
sails
,
sheets
, and everything required me to get help for many things I would have otherwise done myself. Many people do it, but there is zero manhandling anything on this boat in a big blow.
I'm looking at the
Maine Cat
38. but that's a very personal choice.
Maine Cat 38 - its a nice boat.
21-09-2015, 00:37
#
69
psychfeld
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon Coast & Ft. Lauderdale
Boat: Lagoon 420
Posts: 112
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Yes! the
maine
cat is a fine vessel. I'm looking as well.
excellent complete investigative study on drogues was done by us coast guard, may 87. it's like porn for engineers!
21-09-2015, 01:36
#
70
Olorin
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: On the Boat
Boat: Fortuna, Island Spirit 400, 40ft. Catamaran - S/V One White Tree
Posts: 179
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
I can only speak for myself but I have sailed a very plain Island Spirit 400 (LOA 12 meters/39 feet) from the
east coast
of the Americas to
Australia
. Loaded to the max and beyond. We've averaged between 6 and 7 knots on our passages. The crew was myself and my significant other, both in our mid-fifties. We've done over 20,000 nautical miles and never had an issue. We don't sail in hurricanes or cyclones. We heave to if it gets too nasty (only once). Get a sturdy vessel and sail conservatively.
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21-09-2015, 02:05
#
71
Bulawayo
Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cruising Indian Ocean / Red Sea - home is Zimbabwe
Boat: V45
Posts: 1,352
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Olorin
I can only speak for myself but I have sailed a very plain Island Spirit 400 (LOA 12 meters/39 feet) from the
east coast
of the Americas to
Australia
. Loaded to the max and beyond. We've averaged between 6 and 7 knots on our passages. The crew was myself and my significant other, both in our mid-fifties. We've done over 20,000 nautical miles and never had an issue. We don't sail in hurricanes or cyclones. We heave to if it gets too nasty (only once). Get a sturdy vessel and sail conservatively.
Island Spirit = Not especially fast but very tough boats, comfortable load carriers and certainly very capable of circumnavigating.
21-09-2015, 03:06
#
72
arsenelupiga
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: On the boat
Boat: LAGOON 400
Posts: 2,349
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
what i observed over years is that people in smaller boats have more fun than in larger boats.
so get smallest that can live with and use
money
for living.
40 ft is large boat and lots
maintenance
. But it was minimum we are happy with.
07-01-2016, 18:55
#
73
GoingWalkabout
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA & Argentina
Posts: 1,561
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Skip JayR
I never heard of Catamarans using drogues or parachut anchors... thats mostly theory...
07-01-2016, 19:04
#
74
GoingWalkabout
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA & Argentina
Posts: 1,561
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
belizesailor
Yeah, I'm a slow learner, after a couple of decades, and many thousands of miles on cats of many makes/models (and monos too)...I'm still struggling to get a grasp of the basics.
You?
Hi belizesailor. Love your posts and wishing you a great 2016. I would like to ask you a little off topic question. What do you think of the height off the
water
of the decking between different
catamaran
manufacturers. Ive looked at both
Lagoon
and Sunreef and it appears that the Lagoons particularly in models above the 45 are higher in the
water
then the Sunreefs. Do you think this height difference has a
safety
and sailing issue. Seriously interested in your thoughts if you don't mind.
Thanks,
Chaya
07-01-2016, 19:49
#
75
belizesailor
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,486
Re: 38' cat OK to circumnavigate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
GoingWalkabout
Hi belizesailor. Love your posts and wishing you a great 2016. I would like to ask you a little off topic question. What do you think of the height off the water of the decking between different
catamaran
manufacturers. Ive looked at both
Lagoon
and Sunreef and it appears that the Lagoons particularly in models above the 45 are higher in the water then the Sunreefs. Do you think this height difference has a
safety
and sailing issue. Seriously interested in your thoughts if you don't mind.
Thanks,
Chaya
Do you mean height off the water of the
deck
you walk on ("freeboard" height) or clearance between the water and the underside of the "bridge deck" (deck that spans the hulls) known as "bridge deck clearance"?
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