Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 27-11-2012, 20:48   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

OOops... that's JIM Brown...
Wasn't sure where to post this...

Hi, there, all-- my name is Steve and I have been lurking-- 1st time poster....

OK, please don't flame me here but I really would appreciate your various experience to help me make a good decision here...
First off, I am 58 yrs. old, a lifetime sailor-- mostly Nacra beachcats, a 5.5 meter my last boat, although I sold Morgans in MDR for years and sailed them A LOT..... but I am clearly a multi-hull guy, ideally.

I have been looking for a CHEAP way to enter into sailboat ownership for months now...
I have been offered a 32' Brown trimaran , basically for free at a local (not telling you, YET...! ) marina....
Issues are:

1) no motor-- I plan to use it as a SAILboat, somehow (Craigslist/ e-bay..??) acquiring a 10-15 horse outboard that I will figure a way to attach to the center transom, for navigating into marinas or getting out of trouble....

2) starrboard-side rot on the deck and vertical deckhouse section--- it's 3/8 ply, and I will fix this-- been in the carpentry trade for 40+ years now... you can gingerly walk on the deck at-present, but NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.... some leaking into the main cabin, not a lot, but some...

3) rough-looking-- haven't seen the bottom yet. I spent 2+ hours tap-tap-tapping the entire boat to check for dry rot. Only as above...

4) I am cash-strapped..... a bit.... They want the fees for taking out of the water, power-spraying it, and the time it takes me to sand/ paint the bottom and sides, which takes $$$$, and probably some surprises....

5) mainsail looks good, NO JIB....

That's it-- the boat has personality... if I could only find a "reasonable" live-aboard slip where I could focus on the fixing part (Bay area...), I could maybe swing this....

I appreciate your thoughts....
__________________

__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 20:57   #2
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Boat: Hitchhiker, Catamaran, 40'
Posts: 354
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

Walk away.
__________________

__________________
Thumbs Up is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-11-2012, 06:32   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
Boat: Marples 40 Constant Camber
Posts: 66
Images: 9
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

You only think you're cash-strapped now. Wait 'til you take on a "free" plywood boat that's been neglected. THEN you'll know the meaning of strapped.
__________________
pwratch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-11-2012, 07:06   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 147
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

I sailed a Brown 37' half way round the world and in no uncertain terms would I hesitate to recommend one of those to anyone. I know the 31'er, but not the 32' boat so I'm not sure if it's a 31' that the owner is stretching the length or not.
Does it have an outboard rudder? If so, I'd hang the outboard on that, on a slide, so it can be pulled up for sailing.
These boats are incredibly easy to repair, but you must use high grade marine ply and West System products, which are not cheap.
Used sails & bits & pieces are easily obtained through Ebay or the many used marine gear shops, now nationwide; use the internet.
Why worry about a slip, anchor out and save the money.
W/ over 6' of tide in the bay and more up the rivers, you only need to find a nice sandy spot to lay a tri and do half (1/3?) the bottom on each tide.
If you are as good a carpenter as you imply and can do good fiberglass work, and are the sort who finishes projects, then go for it.
Jim Brown has a construction manual for the boats that has every bit of information in it about his boat building techniques, including how to make his fantastic wind vane. Buy that and you'll be on your way.
Good sailing.
__________________
capta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-11-2012, 18:45   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

thanks for your replies. Since posting this, I have found several greatly-informative threads on this subject on, what has become, my favorite website-- CF...!

I am in a holding pattern on this Brown 31'...(yes, the PO added a transom step which, with the stainless bowsprit turns it to a 32' ...).

I AM finding a fair share of legal liveaboard opportunities in the Bay area marinas, but am not so sure about eventually doing deck work w/ power tools at my slip....

I wish there was a cheaper way to check out the bottom for surprises. All checking of the ama interiors (other than the partial deck and deckhouse side rot) indicated no rot. And the same for the bilge area on the center section (sorry, whatever that's called......).
The boat needs some serious cleaning, of course...
Could be my new labour of love...

I know, no inboard engine... you must think I'm crazy-- but I feel I can deal with that...

Around and around and around we go.....
__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-11-2012, 18:54   #6
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: St Augustine, FL
Boat: Woods Vardo 34 Cat
Posts: 2,827
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

If the bilge is dry and there is no rot in the frames or most importantly around the centerboard trunk and mast step, the bottom is likely fine. There maybe some issue with the external min-keel, but this is not structural. Its hard to imagine it has all the deck rot you mention without major other issues. I am very familiar with these boats and its rare to find one in great shape and rare to find issues in just one area.
__________________
Check out my MoJo: Facebook.com/mojomarine1
Boatguy30 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 28-11-2012, 19:33   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

It seems all the dry rot damage is from moisture from rain-- small leaks over time while the boat was sitting and the problems not being addressed.

I will check more closely around the centerboard trunk from the inside as I can. There was some bilge/ oil in the main centerline bilge area, but I am hoping this is from when the engine was extracted. I guess I will self-bilge this and check further. Both amas are dry and no rot on the bottoms, although there is a flat at the botton that I can't see/feel/get to under...

The mast step is solid. There is a slit in the surface paint on one side of the mast step, but the wood underneath taps out as solid. Inside the cabin the mast does not go through to the floor, but stops maybe a foot or so after the cabin top. This "bulwark" that supports the bottom of the mast, from port to starboard is strong and no rot.
Gosh, I wish I could show it to you...
Thanks for reading...
__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2012, 05:34   #8
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: St Augustine, FL
Boat: Woods Vardo 34 Cat
Posts: 2,827
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

The bottom of the inner AMA should come to a V point with a fiberglass joint. there should be no flat floor as they were intended to be left mostly empty. Some people did add removable floor board in the center section.
__________________
Check out my MoJo: Facebook.com/mojomarine1
Boatguy30 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2012, 14:18   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pacific NW
Boat: Hedley Nicol Vagabond MK2, 37'
Posts: 979
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

I'd suggest signing up at outrig.org and downloading the Searunner construction manual so you can understand what is behind some of what you are looking at. If it is a A-frame metal connective boat check very thoroughly where they enter the main hull. Water tends to get in the main strength bulkheads. Another important thing is to check the Stem head fitting for any movement and a good seal. If it wiggles there is rot that needs to be fixed. Other places are where the chainplates enter etc....All fixable but it adds up fast.
__________________
Cavalier MK2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2012, 14:51   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

I am trying to download a photo of the boat...may take me a few tries...
__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2012, 19:45   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

all I could do to download this tiny photo..... I zoomed it on my screen but when I upload it, it shrinks....
But maybe somebody knows exactly what this boat is.... I guess a home-built Jim Brown design..?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	scan_12113013231_1.jpg
Views:	124
Size:	18.1 KB
ID:	50529  
__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2012, 19:47   #12
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Eastern Seaboard
Boat: Searunner 34 and Searunner Constant Camber 44
Posts: 949
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevelf View Post
1) no motor-- I plan to use it as a SAILboat, somehow (Craigslist/ e-bay..??) acquiring a 10-15 horse outboard that I will figure a way to attach to the center transom, for navigating into marinas or getting out of trouble....

2) starrboard-side rot on the deck and vertical deckhouse section--- it's 3/8 ply, and I will fix this-- been in the carpentry trade for 40+ years now... you can gingerly walk on the deck at-present, but NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.... some leaking into the main cabin, not a lot, but some...

3) rough-looking-- haven't seen the bottom yet. I spent 2+ hours tap-tap-tapping the entire boat to check for dry rot. Only as above...

4) I am cash-strapped..... a bit.... They want the fees for taking out of the water, power-spraying it, and the time it takes me to sand/ paint the bottom and sides, which takes $$$$, and probably some surprises....

5) mainsail looks good, NO JIB....

That's it-- the boat has personality... if I could only find a "reasonable" live-aboard slip where I could focus on the fixing part (Bay area...), I could maybe swing this.....
Steve,

Do yourself a favor and post this to the Searunner thread.

But hitting your points in order:

1) Good idea but you may find you have a set of limitations you hadn't anticipated. As for putting the motor on the transom, that's not so good. It was the original design but it was changed.

2) Capta is right about the ease of repair, except the cost of the SCM. It was re-edited and is available for free. I know this because I'm the one that did it.

3-5) no way to help with those.

Make sure the centerboard is fully functional and moves freely. That said, I think pwratch has a point. There simply is a cost to ownership of a boat, any boat. Often that's fairly significant.
__________________
Regards,

Maren

The sea is always beautiful, sometimes mysterious and, on occasions, frighteningly powerful.
Maren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2012, 20:17   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

Thanks, Maren for the re-post suggestion, which I just did-- hope that's not breaking any rules....
__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2012, 20:18   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pacific NW
Boat: Hedley Nicol Vagabond MK2, 37'
Posts: 979
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

A friend suggested these steps in a tight spot. 3-5 elbow grease, haul on a beach, wash with saltwater, use sand on the tough spots rinse fresh. Paint the topsides with GOOD latex after sanding and rinsing fresh- pack in those buckets. Spread tarps under the boat at all times especially when you do the bottom and properly dispose of all waste. #6 treat the searunner forum with caution and a large grain of salt. There are years of boat life after Johnson....If it is free and basically sound just get on with it. If it turns out to be too much keep the paper work in order, give it away for a beer and keep looking. At all times keep enough funds for titles and tabs. Do the deck work at anchor, sweep up not overboard etc......Find used sails, they are inexpensive and learning to cut and sew can be fun. Last step-Go sailing instead of dreaming about it.
__________________
Cavalier MK2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2012, 20:37   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Boat: Cross 38' trimaran
Posts: 39
Re: 32' JOHN BROWN SAIL TRI W/NO MOTOR...

I actually like the suggestion to beach it to inspect the hulls. There's probably a clever way to do that and not sandbag myself...
__________________

__________________
stevelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
motor, sail

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 20:35.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.