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Old 23-11-2015, 18:22   #1
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32 ft Trimaran in Red - What boat type ?

Hi folks... I need your support. As some of you are very well experienced with different boat types maybe you can tell me what design it is.

I dont have lots of details about this "little red". All is just four images, see attached and following specifications:

Year of built: not clear (probably beginning of the 80th)

designer: unknown
dockyard: unknown
displacement: unknown
boat material: unknown

LOA (length over all): 32 ft (~9.75 m)
Width/beam: 16 ft (~4.87 m)
amas: demountable (but not foldable) for trailer with max. 2.5 meters width
no keel, but center board

draft: 2.3 ft (~0.7 m)
mast: 39 ft (~12 m) height
sails area: 25- 47 m2
(mainsail: 17 m2, jib: 8 m2, genoa: 25 m2, spinnaker:30 m2)

engine: outborder
cabin: 2 x
head: 1 x
shower: 1x cockpit shower
bilge pumps: yes (no details about number)
water tank: yes (no details about capacities)
fuel tank: yes (no details about capacities)
holding tank: --

I'd appreciate it to know more about this tiny 3-huller. Anybody here with an idea ?

Tks in advance/Skip

P.S.:
From front this boat looks neat... the central hull remembers me kind of "UFO" or the Lockheed SR-7 Blackbird...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
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Old 24-11-2015, 14:05   #2
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Re: 32 ft Trimaran in Red - What boat type ?

Richard Edlin design?
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she is listed for sale at multihull world
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Old 24-11-2015, 15:11   #4
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she is listed for sale at multihull world
Not very helpfully... still do not know about the boat itself. I found 3 other boats being built, see following posts. I'd know more about this boat. Not where to buy one. :-)
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From red to yellow to white...

I found three other boats being built... but yet no details about the design(er)... it seems a sportive boat


Here some photos... the fully image gallery you get on BoatDesign.net Forum (as I am too lazy to upload all pictures double). No need to registrate, have a look at here:
32 ft Trimaran in Red - What boat type ? - Boat Design Forums

One in Yellow...


... which was a "whity" before.



Interesting interieur...


And another white one, fully refitted.... interesting decks layout...



with a cosy and homely interieur...
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Richard Edlin design?
Who is Richard Edlin ? :-)
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Who is Richard Edlin ? :-)
The guy who didn't design that trimaran.

It says the boat is an "Allegro", and an internet search reveals that the designer is Robert Artigues, who happens to be French (which is both fitting and convenient because he has a very "French" name).
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Re: 32 ft Trimaran in Red - What boat type ?

Skip, if you put one tenth of the effort into doing a simple google search as you do writing your posts, you would have come to this conclusion much sooner. And you also wouldn't have had to put down multihuller for his effort to help you.


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The guy who didn't design that trimaran.
It was a seriously questoin. Never heard of Richard Edlin. Was it a British designer of Multihulls ?

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It says the boat is an "Allegro", and an internet search reveals that the designer is Robert Artigues, who happens to be French (which is both fitting and convenient because he has a very "French" name).
French are my direct neighbours as nation, but I never made it into French language. As I use more than 10 years Google.com (English version) I suppose it didnt pop up.

Tks for the tip... I found via Google Image two type plates... see attachments. 1st one is of the upper listed yellow one, 2nd is the white one.

1st plate of the yellow one says the boat builder/designer was Andrè Allegre.

The 2nd plate says that its R. Artigues. The white boat was built in 1981 as "hull No. 45". The model seems to be certified for series production on 28th February 1969.



Where are all these boats ?

It seems this Trimaran even was trailered for inshore sailing, as one was sold in Switzerland having sailed on Lake of Constance, built in 1980 and sold for less than 10,000 Euros.




Anybody here who has sailed this boat ?
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Skip, if you put one tenth of the effort into doing a simple google search as you do writing your posts, you would have come to this conclusion much sooner. And you also wouldn't have had to put down multihuller for his effort to help you.
Its just a name, smj. Who was behind this model Trimaran Allegro ? (Rec.: I thought, its the name of the boat itself).
  • Was the designer Andrè Allegre (as written on one of the type plates, see my former post) ? - Or was it Robert Artigues ?
Further might be interesting...
  • When was this boat first designed ?
  • When was it first built (prototyping, test sailing) ?
  • How many have been built regularly in series production ?
  • Which dock yard has built these boats ?
  • Do exist other designs by A. Allegre or R. Artigues (which eventually have been produced) ?
I dont speak French, so I don't have access to detailled infos on French websites. Maybe somebody knows the details.
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Google trimaran Allegro, a ton of info but you may have to translate.


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Re: 32 ft Trimaran in Red - What boat type ?

Some thoughts:
Based on photo posted by Skip
#1 Notice main is reefed
#2 Notice sea conditions are what I consider calm so winds are light.
#3 Notice lee ama is almost buried aready.

Therefore: Ama size is far too small unless:
a. Vessel is never taken into high seas.
b. Vessel is never sailed in high winds

One possible fix for this is to change the rig. Specifically think about going paraw rig or as James Wharram calls it Tiki rig. This changes main sail to a crab claw sail and will allow you to sail with less heeling, albeit perhaps a little slower.
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The designer...

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Some thoughts:
Based on photo posted by Skip
#1 Notice main is reefed
#2 Notice sea conditions are what I consider calm so winds are light.
#3 Notice lee ama is almost buried aready.

Therefore: Ama size is far too small unless:
a. Vessel is never taken into high seas.
b. Vessel is never sailed in high winds

One possible fix for this is to change the rig. Specifically think about going paraw rig or as James Wharram calls it Tiki rig. This changes main sail to a crab claw sail and will allow you to sail with less heeling, albeit perhaps a little slower.
With some helpfully sailing buddies on Boatdesign.Net Forum it is cleared first, that the designer was Andre Allegre. He is that one who designed the legendary racing trimaran Pen Duick IV/Manureva (20.5 meter lenght, built in Aluminium) for French sailing legend Eric Tabarly.




For this historically important part of trimaran history I run into the wall of "language barrier". Would like to understand the French documentary about A.A.
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Originally Posted by pbmaise View Post
Some thoughts:
Based on photo posted by Skip
#1 Notice main is reefed
#2 Notice sea conditions are what I consider calm so winds are light.
#3 Notice lee ama is almost buried aready.

Therefore: Ama size is far too small unless:
a. Vessel is never taken into high seas.
b. Vessel is never sailed in high winds

One possible fix for this is to change the rig. Specifically think about going paraw rig or as James Wharram calls it Tiki rig. This changes main sail to a crab claw sail and will allow you to sail with less heeling, albeit perhaps a little slower.
With some helpfully sailing buddies on Boatdesign.Net Forum it is cleared first, that the designer was Andre Allegre. He is that one who designed the legendary racing trimaran Pen Duick IV/Manureva (20.5 meter lenght, built in Aluminium) for French sailing legend Eric Tabarly.




For this historically important part of trimaran history I run into the wall of "language barrier". Would like to understand the French documentary about A.A.


The Trimaran was designed byAndre Allegre, and one of the boat builders was Rober Artigues in Beziers. He owned the boat yard "Constuctions 9 Écluses" which was renamed later into "Midi multi-hull".

The origins of this model Allegro probably can be counted in 1980/1981. It seems different models have been designed by Andre Allegre, e.g. Allegretto Croisic and five other versions (some of which had an inboard engine)...

...plus two stretched versions: Allegro Allegro and Super 30 (with a bigger trunk astern).

In totally it seems that till 2010 had been built around 60 boats.

The upper shown Allegro probably had the tanks (water + diesel) in the demountable amas, which were bolted each with 4 screws to the mainhull. It was a significant design feature to deposit these tanks in the amas. Maybe thats why it looks like they lack of volume and take the risks to undercut the waves with nose diving.

All the infos are "datas delivered from mouth-to-mouth". So I dont have any guarantee for now that its the truth. Yet it would needed a fact based proof of the boat's history.
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