Yet Another 'Which Boat?' Thread

[otherthan]

I am in montreal.
I have no reasons to complain about anything, all in all I am a very lucky and happy man, blesed with wonderfull kids and the best ex a man can wish for, in fact typing this on her pc (shes over my sholder)

ok what I mean by safty (need I really explain?) I love woman all of them, and from what I understand this can be unsafe these days, maybe more then an ocean crossing?

iv been in scary seas off the coast of sept-iles on open boats, good or bad weather for 14 to 16h strait fishing cod with my oncle. I have seen the many facet of the sea and have nothing but respect for her, any of the boats iv listed will feel like a flaoting hilten in comparaison.

thanks for the help

cheers

[SaltyMonkey]

Ok, so...you are in Montreal. I will look...

But where exactly will you be cruising? Its confusing...locations...I need to see exactly what this plan of yours is...

[SaltyMonkey]

There are quite a lot of good boats in Canada, USA, Caaribbean - bristol, pearson, morgans - in your price range. Have a look:

(Sail) Boats For Sale

Just a matter of work

[otherthan]

I want to sail the st-laurence to gaspé, eventualy when I feel ready will sail the gulfstream to the bahamas, if all is well and the boat fits my needs I plan to sail her to asia the next year. Iv worked with asian birds and reptiles these past 25 years and have 20 more to give. Thats why the boat a long term liveabord island hopper.

many thanks for the lingks

[SaltyMonkey]

Ummm the gulf stream is going the opposite direction from where you are and is something to avoid I think..

And you think coastal and island hopping to asia how???

[otherthan]

you see I really know frack about sailing!!!!

aisia ia for when I do know and coastal is when I get there.

iv read about old timers saying they sail strait to the bahamas and avoid caostal usa, I was under the impresion they sailed the gulf stream.

all this is new to me and I have much to learn, but id rather leave in a dingy then stay in the rat race.

[SaltyMonkey]

OK Jobi.

From what you've told me here, I would just take it easy and do some more serious planning and research - not on the boat but on a cruise and sailing in general. With your budget, which I think is extremely vague, I would focus just on sailing where you are for a while, NE, then start thinking about sailing down the coast to Florida and cutting across to the Bahamas for that experience. Sailing up in NE is extremely good training, and if you can sail there and learn navigation etc, you can sail in warmer waters easier.

As for longer passages, I cannot give you any advice. I'm sorry. I just don't think you are prepared, experienced, or have a budget yet.

Best of luck

SaltyMonkey

[otherthan]

buying a cheep boat and learning to sail on it sounds prety resonable, I can always sale the boat later, to buy a larger or simply decide if boating is for me or not.
I will not invest big $$ and sure as hell wont finiance a boat that I cauld end up beaching unitecionaly, should such a mishape happen I wont cry about it either.

I want to do what I said but will not make plans befor I sail my boat for some time, you seem to think I whant to leave now. not the case I want to learn with my own toys.

maybe I should have said I wanted to sail the gulf of st-laurence and learn?

[SaltyMonkey]

Yes, that makes a sensible plan, and you never know what kind of deals you will find on the road in terms of boats for sale. SaltyMonkey actually would rather sail up north - Nova Scotia. Maine, New Foundland, New Brunswick. Much challenge and beauty. Cold! Even in summer! But worth it.

Don't forget to get a good heater. A kerosene/diesel one and be careful of fumes!

[otherthan]

hey thanks for the chat, you actualy guided me on a bristol 29, going to see it monday. most me one of the viewers on this site?

cheers

[SaltyMonkey]

Bristol is a good choice.

[otherthan]

I just needed to close this thread with the information I got today.

first I am closing the deal with the thompson.

I was explained in details why this boat is a much better boat then others iv listed, in fact its a much better boat then many production 30 footers.

This boat was designed for blue waters, its ballast, hull and displacement have been very well calculated for maximum motion comfort.

the ballast is low to fovorise a slow rocking motion in ruged seas, this motion is what affects sea sickness the most, on this boat more ballast would have increased sea sickness.

she heals more then many boats but its a slow and stable heal, her design gives her an edge in light winds also.

just sharing info from boat engener
rgds

[SaltyMonkey]

Very doubtful.

Her B/D ratio is 25%. The average is 35%. Higher numbers are more resistant to heeling.
Her L/Beam ratio is 2.63. More interior room and "initially" stiff, but not good in roll recovery.
Her MC is 24.76. Anything less than 25 is "very quick" motion in the seas. Not comfortable.

I do not have her sail area so I cannot comment on light air performance.

The low ballast will allow you to carry more supplies if she doesn't already have a lot of materials onboard. 4500 lbs is not much of a leeway.

But go sailing and see. Congrats.

[otherthan]

T24:
P=25.80 E=9.30 I=31.80 J=9.50
Main 127.32 sq ft
#1 Genoa 226.80
#2 Genoa 203.92
Working Jib 166.15
#1 Jib 128.39
Storm Jib 50.56
Trysail 41.99
Spinnaker 489.40
Cruising Chute
415.99
dont know if this is correct, there seems to be 4 t-24 models.
will play with her in the gulf until its to cold, by then il know what she can do.
fill her up with floatation and try to turn her over, I will let you know how it whent.
one thing is sure I wont leave in a boat that I dont know inside out.
cheers

[SaltyMonkey]

yes the main and jib footage don't seem to match your p/e/i/j measurements.

either its 271 sq ft or 293. Her SA/D comes up to be either 13.13 or 14.2 - about middle of the cruiser range between 10 - 15. Cruiser / racers are over 16