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Old 29-02-2016, 18:19   #31
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Are boats with tillers more common in Europe?
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Are boats with tillers more common in Europe?
Are you aware of how many hugely different countries make up Europe?
What is common in one European country can be non-existent in another ...
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Are boats with tillers more common in Europe?
Under 35ft the majority have tillers.. the exceptions are ketches and conversions by owners who for some obscure reason think they look 'Salty'..
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Under 35ft the majority have tillers.
Are boats under 35' more common in Europe then boats over 35'?

(Personally, I always say sailboats have tillers, power boats have wheels )
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Are boats with tillers more common in Europe?
Among main market boats no. Among fast light voyage or performance cruisers yes. Those boats tend to be sailed by better sailors that understand the advantages of simplicity and also the advantages in what regards sailing solo ability with all winches at easy reach.

You can find them standard in some boats but very rarely those boats don't have also a two wheel set up for the ones that prefer that solution that allows for less interference on the cockpit in what regards "passengers".

Some production cruisers that use standard a tiller:











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Under 35ft the majority have tillers.. the exceptions are ketches and conversions by owners who for some obscure reason think they look 'Salty'..
Today almost all over 30ft mass production main market boats have a two wheel set up. It is not only to look salty but because that solution allows less interference with passengers in what regards sailing the boat.





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Re: Yacht type choice - Cultural differences?

In an apparent spirit of detente, as an Alaskan I purchased a fin keeled vessel of Finnish manufacture, originally designed by US architects for yet another Finish boat maker.

I guess I'm skewing the statistics, or at least should be considered very Euro-American while boating at least...

Or perhaps the conjecture requires treatment of the 'statistics' as a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination...

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Perhaps fin-keel (that is, modern sailboat designs, are more common in Europe because personal wealth occurred later than the USA, considering WW2. Europe needed to rebuild while the USA was "already there" building older-fashioned full/modified keels of Stephen/Steven and Alberg type designs.
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I'm not sure that the member base on CruisersForum.com is a representative sample of American sailors.

Given this is "CruisersForum" we can assume contributors will be interested in sailing long distances, and [from my perspective] the most economical/reliable/simple way to do this is with an older full-keeled boat. Sure there are plenty of modern yachts designed for cruising that are not full keel, but they are often newer and pricier. I'm sure everyone has noticed that users on here are often VERY conscious of their bank accounts (myself included).

Walking around my marina I see mostly fin keel boats...but those folks probably would be more inclined towards a different forum or none at all (since sailing isn't necessarily as significant a part of their present/future life as it is for a prospective or current "cruiser").

Antiquated American yacht makers is a separate issue.
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Today almost all over 30ft mass production main market boats have a two wheel set up. It is not only to look salty but because that solution allows less interference with passengers in what regards sailing the boat.





Ahhh... coastal toy boats.. lightly built with little regard for open water sailing and safety.. love to see how much water they'd swallow as a wave broke on their stern.. whereas a full transom would just surf it..
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I think it is more important as to how deep is your water is and how high high your tide range is. It explains Northern Europe America east coast vs west.


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the most economical/reliable/simple way to do this is with an older full-keeled boat.
Where I am, finding an older full keel boat would not be easier nor more economical then finding a fin keeler. Hence me now owning a '74 deep fin keel boat
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Ahhh... coastal toy boats.. lightly built with little regard for open water sailing and safety.. love to see how much water they'd swallow as a wave broke on their stern.. whereas a full transom would just surf it..
I am not sure if I follow. Yes those are coastal boats (the small ones with two wheels), most with a bit over 31ft but on the ones that I posted previously, fast modern voyage boats, there are several that are offshore boats and they have open transoms, like on most modern offshore racers and waves don't broke on their sterns.

The point on those boats it to sail almost as fast as the wave, surfing them for long periods. Waves only break on the stern of slow boats that sail much slower than the waves.

And all yachts are toys, unless you use them for work (charter).
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Perhaps fin-keel (that is, modern sailboat designs, are more common in Europe because personal wealth occurred later than the USA, considering WW2. Europe needed to rebuild while the USA was "already there" building older-fashioned full/modified keels of Stephen/Steven and Alberg type designs.
That is indeed a reasonable perspective. It is quite apparent to me, however, that given Canada and the USA consistently outscore European countries on quality of life surveys (save for Norway and a few unimportant countries on the Baltic ) North Americans are simply too happy to intentionally risk their lives so foolishly.


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Hhhmmmmmmm...!!
Maybe that's been my problem.!!
Trying to fit in with you 'Honkies'...
Should have stuck to Dhows..
I can see you now, turban, flowing robes....hollering in Arabic from the quarterdeck of your Dhow....barging up and down the great green greasy Limpopo....
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