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Old 03-03-2012, 14:49   #16
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Re: Would You Buy a Boat With Termites?

Its not the aussie termites that worry them, Aussie termites live in the ground and have the tubes up to the wood,

The over seas termites just live in the wood with no tubes, These are the ones that AQIS are looking for,

Nasty little buggers,
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Old 03-03-2012, 14:56   #17
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Its not the aussie termites that worry them, Aussie termites live in the ground and have the tubes up to the wood,

The over seas termites just live in the wood with no tubes, These are the ones that AQIS are looking for,

Nasty little buggers,
Termites, AQIS or both ?
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Old 03-03-2012, 15:00   #18
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Both, AQIS will cost big heaps, Termites or not,
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Old 03-03-2012, 15:13   #19
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Re: Would You Buy a Boat With Termites?

As an exterminator I am assuming that the boat is on the hard?????????? not in the water of course. Termite extermiation is not that expensive. I would call this unusual. But then again, I am in NC.

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Just curious as to whether or not anyone here would even consider a boat that had termites aboard?

Is this a troll trick? My answer is NOT A CHANCE! I don't even see a reason to think it over.
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Old 03-03-2012, 16:50   #21
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Is this a troll trick? My answer is NOT A CHANCE! I don't even see a reason to think it over.
and there was me thinking I was the only one sreaming RUN!

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Re: Would You Buy a Boat With Termites?

I kind of agree with tager. You might want to keep looking.
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Just curious as to whether or not anyone here would even consider a boat that had termites aboard? I am told by the broker that termites are quite common in SoCal and that most boats have had them at one point.
I've heard a lot of BS in the past but this one takes the cake.

Secondly, maybe you worry too much...just a thought. Not trying to be mean but if you want to go sailing...go!
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I've heard a lot of BS in the past but this one takes the cake.

Secondly, maybe you worry too much...just a thought. Not trying to be mean but if you want to go sailing...go!
OOOhh, I dunno, mate!

Yes to going sailing, but no (emphatically) about going to Oz in a boat with termites. They are really not welcome here, and one will be faced with an expensive inspection, followed by an even more expensive and intrusive extermination program. To deliberately start out thus would be folly. There are a hell of a lot of boats for sale just now, and most of them don't have this handicap as a starter, so I'd recommend looking further, Little Devil.

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I dunno. How do you feel about gonorrhea in your sleeping partners?
I think the OP was referring to infestation, mate, not infection

AS for the boat with termites, it sounds like the plywood furniture (I assume you mean berths, tables, cupboards etc) is stuffed... Do you have the resources (time and money) to strip her and rebuild all the furniture etc?

Is the mahogany OK except for the chomping going on inside? I assume the mahogany is the trim etc. Since this is non weight bearing, then killing the termites should be sufficient action. However, if any of the termite infested wood is weight bearing, then it also needs to go, since you have no way of telling how much has been eaten out. Except jumping on it till it breaks, then you'll need to replace it anyway!
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Re: Would You Buy a Boat With Termites?

I have repaired some boats with major termite infestations, and it aint pretty. I posted some pics on this forum which I'm sure could easily be found. IMHO the big problem with a termite infestation in a boat is that you don't know how they got there. The surveyors and termite specialists I spoke to told me that Formosa termites in particular are often present in egg form in tropical woods when they are laminated into plywood. The eggs are trapped between the layers of ply and can lay dormant for years, only hatching if a sufficient moisture level is reached. Then the termites have nowhere to go but through the ply core. The pics I posted here of this phenomenon say it all-ply core completely eaten away and replaced with termite eggs and dust. If the boat has this sort of infestation I would have no faith in the ability of gas to kill all termite eggs which might be in the ply. Termite infestations on boats are not that common, and you should know better than to believe a broker. Go with your common sense, if you can see through the ply it's totally eaten away.
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Re: Would You Buy a Boat With Termites?

Tenting will kill the termites. Tenting treatment uses a nerve gas to kill the termites and is 100% effective in killing them. The exterminators evacuate and ventilate the boat when they are done so there is no residue afterwards. In Hawaii, they attack everything with wood eventually. Just have to stay ahead of them and get the house/boat treated before they do much damage. We've had to have our Cedar house tented 3 times in the 30 years we've lived in it. They are normally in the fir roof decking and structural beams but have dined sparingly on the cedar walls. Pressure treated fir lumber seems not to be on their menu. Looked at a boat that had a serious Termite infestation. Large sections of the plywood in the galley and forepeak area were totally infested. Just the teak veneer was all that remained.

Yes they are termites and are living in the wood. They spread via queens migrating with a male partner. If you are lucky you'll see the wings that they shed after finding a new piece of wood to munch on. These are not the ground nesting termites that you find in many areas and aren't as voracious eaters. It's pretty easy to stay ahead of them.

The problem is how much damage the termites have done and where. A little poking with sharp pointed tool and close inspection will give you an idea of the extent of the damage. They normally won't cross glue lines like in Plywood or migrate across non wood areas if it involves exposing themselves to light. They munch on the wood and push out their excrement from tiny holes. It looks like very small sand like pebbles, usually dark brown. They prefer fir but will eat almost any wood including redwood, cedar and teak. They don't like these other woods and don't seem to thrive on it but will eat almost any wood given enough time and necessity.

The big problem for you is how obvious is the damage. If you flunk the pest inspection in Australia, you'll have to get the boat tented even if you have long since killed them via tenting in the US. I've heard of horror stories of the draconian methods of the Australian Government inspectors and the costs involved. If I wasn't thinking of venturing to Oz, termites wouldn't be a big deal as long as the damage was limited.
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Re: Would You Buy a Boat With Termites ?

I am with the naysayers - run, don't walk! Everything previously posted about Aussie AQIS is true and then some.
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I don't understand : there are so many boats to be sold in the world, why that one ? Sorry for not being constructive ....
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Tenting will kill the termites. Tenting treatment uses a nerve gas to kill the termites and is 100% effective in killing them.

The big problem for you is how obvious is the damage. If you flunk the pest inspection in Australia, you'll have to get the boat tented even if you have long since killed them via tenting in the US. I've heard of horror stories of the draconian methods of the Australian Government inspectors and the costs involved. If I wasn't thinking of venturing to Oz, termites wouldn't be a big deal as long as the damage was limited.
I am not sure that AQIS would go with a tenting treatment, i think that they may be a lot harsher than that. Seriously if you chose to take the risk of bring a boat in that has obviously been infested their investigation of the boat may be INTRUSIVE. if i understand the powers that they have they can impound you boat and tell you to prepare it to be re-exported. ... $ .....$ .....
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