Why is my mast so thick on my "lightly built" boat?

[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by VinnyVincent

Okay this is possibly the worlds dumbest thread, but I am curious...

So I've been around enough size range of what I have to do a little comparison.
I notice that my mast is bigger
I haven't actually measured, but it is substantially bigger than most.

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I'm not the only one who has noticed. Several people have commented on it.

Deleted a few excess verbiage. Sounds like bragging

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ7Ue5emo6I

[CarlF]

Interesting that have have forward lowers but not after lowers.

This would let you put a little prebend into the mast. The mast may be stiff enough that the after lower isn't needed.

[GrahamHO]

To a certain degree a thicker gauge mast of a smaller diameter can be better than a thin wall larger diameter.

A 6" diameter mast 32' long presents a frontal area of 16 square feet which is windage going high up as well as interfering with the wind flow over the sail.
A 4" diameter mast 32' long presents a little more than 10 square feet.

Get an empty aluminum beer can and balance your weight on it standing in a doorway for support. Ask someone to lightly touch the middle of the can and it will suddenly collapse. That's how a light gauge aluminum tube behaves in compression.

It can be a mistake to make a mast extra heavy, thinking it will be stronger. If a piece of rigging fails, practically any mast is likely to break.

The rigging along with the mast needs to be considered as one structure.

[seahag]

There's two Newports on our dock. Heading there tomorrow and will take a look-nothing about those boats ever appeared to be substantially built as we've walked by many times...interesting thread.

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by zeehag

btw, the original masts on the costa mesa builds were le fiell masts. local built.

I guess dimensions would help us Vinaroo... If Zee is correct, the Le Fiell section will be oval or "egg shaped"... I've never seen one with a corner to speak of...

Originally Posted by VinnyVincent

If i remember right off the newport page I am on, the 30 is quite a bit different than the 28. Different designers and everything. From what I understand, the 28 is pretty much a scaled down 41. Both designed by C&C. I think I read that Gary Mull designed the 30 and it's more of a cruising oriented design when compared to other newport boats. I am also pretty sure that the MK1's weren't even manufactured by capital yachts, but another company.

This is why I didn't think your boat was too tippy... I've NOT been on a 28, only a 30... Thanks for the edjookation...


I was actually trolling you guys when I said it's now bluewater since I got new rigging lol...it's a good boat for my use, though...which is generally just daysailing with an overnight stay here and there. I still haven't tried it in the gulf(that's why I got new rigging)

Oh... don't worry... I wasn't going to let the go without a comment...


There's actually one at the ASA 104/106 course I'm about to attend in a few months, so I will be able to check there.
Comparing pics of my boat to others, it really does look like the same mast, but it's hard to tell for sure in a picture.
The boat did come with a very detailed log book and has no mention of the mast ever being replaced.

At this point, that seems most likely. I will have to do some real, scientific research this weekend with the butt end of a screwdriver while holding my ear up to various masts

Probably better accepted than a Dewalt with a hole saw

Originally Posted by Tx J

[FONT=Tahoma]Carl,

For Zee, I think the main longest running Capital production shop was in Harbor City, CA (address given in my manual), not too far west of Costa Mesa on the other side of Long Beach (haven't been in that area in 30 years, was mostly in Orange County; not a bad place to visit, but 'living' there?...).

Oh man.... Harbor City is one tough hood.... Of course right next to BY FAR the most exclusive expensive community in So Cal...

OC was an awesome place to live... 30 years ago... But now??? I'm right on board with Tx J....

[VinnyVincent]

Originally Posted by Tx J

. My hull and deck seem pretty tough too.

When I replaced the two chain plates that hold the cap shrouds, I was shocked to find that the core of my deck in a large area had been reduced to the consistency of mud.
Thing is- I didn't even notice it. The upper layer of fiberglass is probably about 3/16" thick. It was pretty solid, even when I had the core hollowed out before injecting thickened epoxy.
I am assuming mine is not unique since your mast is also huge

In addition to the two forward shrouds, did you notice the little attachment point next to your forestay on the deck? Apparently that is for an optional baby stay that you can attach to the center of the mast to keep that section from bending as well...but I don't think I have ever seen anyone using one of those. Seems like it would really get in the way of things.

How long have you owned yours?

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by VinnyVincent

When I replaced the two chain plates that hold the cap shrouds, I was shocked to find that the core of my deck in a large area had been reduced to the consistency of mud.
Thing is- I didn't even notice it. The upper layer of fiberglass is probably about 3/16" thick. It was pretty solid, even when I had the core hollowed out before injecting thickened epoxy.
I am assuming mine is not unique since your mast is also huge

In addition to the two forward shrouds, did you notice the little attachment point next to your forestay on the deck? Apparently that is for an optional baby stay that you can attach to the center of the mast to keep that section from bending as well...but I don't think I have ever seen anyone using one of those. Seems like it would really get in the way of things.

HE SAID... (mine is rigged with a removable Solent(?) too) mebbe what yer talkin' 'bout

How long have you owned yours?

Originally Posted by VinnyVincent View Post
Okay this is possibly the worlds dumbest thread, but I am curious...

On the contrary... This is shaping up to be one of the BEST threads!

[VinnyVincent]

Originally Posted by Nicholson58

Deleted a few excess verbiage. Sounds like bragging

I just noticed this! lololol!

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by VinnyVincent

I just noticed this! lololol!

I thought he said "dragging"... But Guess that would be length, not girth...

[VinnyVincent]

Originally Posted by Tx J

[FONT=Tahoma]Carl,
The Newport 28's have a lower shroud ~perpendicular to the mast, sharing a chainplate with the upper shroud

I'm pretty sure that even though it shares a plate with the upper shroud, the plate that it attach's to sits ever so slightly aft of the mast. Possibly even somewhat perpendicular, but behind the center line of it.
I will have to confirm this. With any luck I will get out of work early enough today to swing by the boat and take a few pictures.

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by VinnyVincent

I'm pretty sure that even though it shares a plate with the upper shroud, the plate that it attach's to sits ever so slightly aft of the mast. Possibly even somewhat perpendicular, but behind the center line of it.
I will have to confirm this. With any luck I will get out of work early enough today to swing by the boat and take a few pictures.

While you're at it, take a picture of your stern... I was searching your threads for a pic, so I could photoshop...

"Thick Stick"

On it... But all the dang pics you shared when you were buying were in expired links...

[VinnyVincent]

Originally Posted by HappyMdRSailor

While you're at it, take a picture of your stern... I was searching your threads for a pic, so I could photoshop...

"Thick Stick"

On it... But all the dang pics you shared when you were buying were in expired links...

I could get real dirty and throw in some pics of my bilge...although it may no longer be content that is safe for work at that point.

I still have some of those expired pics, but honestly they are embarrassing. I've since "enhanced" just about everything that has to do with vanity.

[VinnyVincent]

Here we go. Some pics of last weeks "rigging job"

[SkiprJohn]

Originally Posted by Tx J

Carl,
The Newport 28's have a lower shroud ~perpendicular to the mast, sharing a chainplate with the upper shroud (IIRC); and also, about 18" ahead on deck, a forward lower shroud; plus the forestay (mine is rigged with a removable Solent(?) too) and split adjustable backstay. It is a heavy mast section for whatever reason they equipped them, I don't mind, it's probably stronger and might last a little longer. My hull and deck seem pretty tough too.

For Zee, I think the main longest running Capital production shop was in Harbor City, CA (address given in my manual), not too far west of Costa Mesa on the other side of Long Beach (haven't been in that area in 30 years, was mostly in Orange County; not a bad place to visit, but 'living' there?...).

There were two versions on the 28. The first had fore and aft lower shrouds.

[VinnyVincent]

Originally Posted by SkiprJohn

There were two versions on the 28. The first had fore and aft lower shrouds.

Interesting. Mine is the first version. The aft lower shroud still shares the same chain plate as the upper cap shroud, though. You would think the angle would somehow affect the spreader, since it is not in a straight line and the plate is slightly aft of the mast?