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Old 25-07-2011, 11:32   #61
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Another factor to consider with Cal boats is that they are slow beasts.
Laffin m y ass off... thinkin of all the records the cals set in their day... including the transpac....

yeah. real slow....
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Compared to which boat of the same 1960's age? Name one...
If you have to have a boat made before 1970, your point might be valid, but I thought this thread didn't have a time constraint. Some of the C&C & Columbia models come to mind, however.
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Laffin m y ass off... thinkin of all the records the cals set in their day... including the transpac....

yeah. real slow....
I just joined this group so I don't want to start no flame war, but the fact of the matter is a lot of those records were set against wooden boats. As for the Transpac, the 1955 record of the (wooden) Morning Star was not significantly improved upon until Bill Lee came along with Merlin.
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Old 25-07-2011, 12:34   #64
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Re: Why Cal ?

No worries, and no need for yer asbestos PFD around here...

Pretty clearly we are talking apples and oranges.

But the Lapworth reputation for a speedy hull, coupled with a fair price and a safe rig, is pretty well established.

And the history of huge sucess as racers in the face of the the heavy critique and dismissal of the racing community at the time made the blanket statement "Cals are slow" Pretty funny...

Cal's are not racing sleds, as Merlin is, but I would put them up against any other production boat with comparable numbers.

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Old 25-07-2011, 12:44   #65
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Re: Why Cal ?

jeez I'm sorry i brought the whole racing thing up. Just thought Cals had a good reputation for racer/CRUISER designs and wanted to know why from the die hard fans.
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Old 25-07-2011, 12:48   #66
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Not a problem Monkey, just a bit of communication confusion...


And I take it ya missed the cal 34 that went for 2500.00 over in santa cruz this last weekend? Only up on craigslist for 4 hours...

There are deals to be had... but ya have to jump on em. She looked pretty good....
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Thanks Sarafina:

Been primarily focusing back east - MD, VA, DE, and NC. There were some nice pickings online recently. Not sure I will be around SF forever, so exploring home waters which would be good place to acclimate before heading south.
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Cal 34 for $2500??!!! That breaks my heart! Coulda' bought it for spare parts.....
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I have restored a Cal 48 which get a lot of attention when out sailing. It rates 90 and can hold its own against most light weight race boats on a reach.
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Re: Why Cal ?

There seems to be some confusion here about the Cal design philosophy.

There is no such thing as a generic Cal. A Cal 2-46 is a completely different animal than a Cal 40. The line is not at all like the Catalina line used to be, where a 42 looked like a 36 that had just been stretched out a bit. The Cal design philosophy was completely different. As a result, some Cals were motorsailer-slow, and some were racer-fast.
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Quite a few of them shared very similar features under the water. The 20, 24 & 25 (of which the main difference is the 25 has encapsulated ballast), 28, and my Cruising 35 come to mind.

I am actually always on the look-out for a good deal on a 25 to sail as a trainer for my 35. If I were on the market again for a cruising boat, a 28 would make my short list, and the 25 would make my long list (even without standing headroom!)

My 35 is not a pretty boat. I'll never look at her and sigh. I don't think a picture of paradise will be improved with my boat in it. But it was too good of a deal on too good of a boat for me to pass up. Paradise will look the same from any deck.
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I drooled over a Cal cruising 35 on yachtworld for a long time (I think it's still there) it's a beautiful boat! I think the price was around 7k with a new motor and lots of work done. It needs sails and a bunch if interior work though. Been on YW for like 3 years in St. Augustine area FL. Might be worth looking into for someone.
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Re: Why Cal ?

there is a pretty cal 34 here in mazatlan-

a decent cal can be had for close to nothing--- sometimes ye have to replace engine, but that isnt too bad if you look for a used or rebuilt one. the problems with them when they get od and neglected re readily repaired and without a lot of investment.
sturdy boats. lapworth desgned the wood ones

jensen, wenk and lapworth were the major designers of cal boats. they did decent work--laid up glass boats in 1958, as jensen wenk. joined lapworth in 60s for what we now know as cal yachts, producing fiberglass boats similar to lapworth's woodies. they are forgiving and practical boats.
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Another factor to consider with Cal boats is that they are slow beasts. The only Cals that get under 100 PHRF are the 48, the 44 shallow draft, and one of the 39s. And the best of them is only 87 (Eastern Long Island Sound rating). I know a lot of cruisers don't care about speed, but when you're trying to get out of the way of a front or make good time, you'll need the speed.

So, back to your idea of a used racer-cruiser
I can push my C28 to 7 kts.... That's slow for a 28' mono?
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I can push my C28 to 7 kts.... That's slow for a 28' mono?
Not bad, since assuming your boat has a LWL of 23 feet your hull speed is a bit shy of 6.5 knots.

General note: If you CAN'T get your boat to hull speed in, say, 15 knots of air on a broad reach something is wrong. This can help you diagnose potential problems.

If you have a tiny foresail or you were demasted it might take 25 knots of wind.
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