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Old 25-05-2012, 15:45   #1
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Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Out of interest, I went to Google Maps to see the locations of various boat builders, including Hunter, Bavaria and Catalina in Florida.

In all of those cases, they are not anywhere near being on the ocean. In fact, Bavaria and Hunter are far inland.

The thought comes as to why? One would think transportation costs would eliminate any other benefits. I believe Beneteau, Jeanneau and most cats are actually built beside the ocean.

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Old 25-05-2012, 15:59   #2
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Re: Why are major boat builders far from an ocean?

Labor, transportation, environmental costs, and real estate. Takes a lot of room to make boats, store them, and store the materials.

My guess anyway. Whenever I look at commercial ventures it's appalling how much it costs to be near the water.

And it's not like they're going to get any business being directly on the water.
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Old 25-05-2012, 16:56   #4
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Well, builders of large boats don't have many walk-in customers! Typically they will need to ship their products to a distant customer anyway, so there would be little value in having a high cost location near the sea.

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Old 25-05-2012, 17:08   #5
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Old 25-05-2012, 17:24   #6
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Waterfront real estate cost. many builders have their own transportation scheme. Cats are wide....
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Everything near the water costs more. But being boat owners, we already know that.
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Old 25-05-2012, 21:26   #8
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

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Well, builders of large boats don't have many walk-in customers! Typically they will need to ship their products to a distant customer anyway, so there would be little value in having a high cost location near the sea.

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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Rent. A nice 3 bed 2 bath on the water in socal will be 6k a month, 10 miles inland it will be less than half, maybe 1/4th. Trucking is a once per unit cost but rent is every day. I'd rather have my manufacturing business next to a major freeway, I guess. Well, not rather, but should.
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

And besides Fla. is a narrow state anyway so its semi close to the water no matter where they are !!
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Building on the shore only made sense when selling to the local area - and the facility was also needed as a boatyard, and the local area was the main source of skilled workers......and when shoreside property was not sold at a premium.

If selling nationally and internationally physical location does not really matter - pros and cons to everywhere, all about overall cost.
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Building on the shore only made sense when selling to the local area - and the facility was also needed as a boatyard, and the local area was the main source of skilled workers......and when shoreside property was not sold at a premium.

If selling nationally and internationally physical location does not really matter - pros and cons to everywhere, all about overall cost.
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Tax incentives and beneficial environmental allowances.
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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

Plenty of Scandinavian, Dutch and French boats are actually built on their waterfront facilities.

But, you know, waterfront costs ...

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Re: Why are Major Boat Builders far from an Ocean?

One of the main reasons fiberglass boat buiilders locate in Florida is that fiberglass curing requires relatively warm temperatures. One does not have to pay much for year round warm temperatures in Florida. Most Monohull sailboats are actually trailerable. Not your typical boat trailer you haul with your family sedan perhaps, but trailerable not the less. Since one has to transport the boat from where ever it's manufactured to where ever it's sold, it doesn't really matter where your located if you have to haul it by truck. Much of the cost is just the process of loading and unloading it anyway so distance may be less of the transportation cost that one would expect. Besides that Florida probably has one of the biggest markets for boats in the US so locating there minimizes transportation costs.

Cats are built near the ocean because for the most part they are not trailerable. The usual road limit is 16 feet in the US which corresponds to the width limit for mobile homes and even that requires special permits and escort vehicles. Only the smaller cats can manage that, though a few can meet this standard if placed on a trailer diagonally and I have seen that done. With wide cats tilting them enough get the width down to 16 feet means they're too high to pass under highway overpasses. This means that most cats are delivered on their hulls or the deck of a freighter. In either case, it still requires the factory be on the water.
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