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Old 14-01-2014, 15:29   #1
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Which Port of Registration?

I've just bought a boat that is now registered with the small ships register in the UK, although at present we are in Puerta Rico, fixing up the boat. We want to change the port of origin, on the vessel, which at the moment reads Annapolis. The thing is that we are living in the Dominican Republic with no immediate plans to sail to the UK. Our home town in the UK was close to the Port of Barrow in north west England. Do we have to use this port when we repaint this or can we choose any port in the UK, say like London, Plymouth, Bristol or whatever or do we have some other obligation that I can't seem to find out about
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with the SSR you can put anything you like on the transom. With full Part 1 registration , you must put the port of registration on the stern. There are several in the UK, channel Islands etc , see http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/ports_of_r..._parts_i-3.pdf

Again for SSR you can put anything you like.

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I think it's a bit more complicated than just painting a name on the transom. The "hailing port" is the port where the boat is registered. Under the British system there is a list of ports. Also to register a boat on the ssr I think you have to live in the UK for more than half a year. And the registration must be transferred to you or you do not own the boat. Either that or the boat has to be de-registered. What do you have that says you own the boat? Maybe someone for the UK can clarify this. Where did you buy this boat? If sold in the US duty might be owed. It's not a simple matter.
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I think it's a bit more complicated than just painting a name on the transom. The "hailing port" is the port where the boat is registered. Under the British system there is a list of ports. Also to register a boat on the ssr I think you have to live in the UK for more than half a year. And the registration must be transferred to you or you do not own the boat. Either that or the boat has to be de-registered. What do you have that says you own the boat? Maybe someone for the UK can clarify this. Where did you buy this boat? If sold in the US duty might be owed. It's not a simple matter.
The information above is mis-leading

If you register under the SSR, there is no proof of ownership, but the registration is valid for international travel. it was specifically created for that purposes. Registration of non commercial vessels, on many registers, DOES NOT always mean proof of ownership. For that you will want full part 1 registration in the UK , and yes with that option you will pick a port of registry.

for the SSR, THERE IS no register of ports.

to register in the SSR, you must be "established" in the UK. Ie have an address there ( and a utility bill etc).

There is no requirement to deflag from the SSR, its up to you to do so.

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I thought you had to live in the UK 185 days or something like that.
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Found this
http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollection...20THE%20UK.pdf

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You must also be ordinarily resident in the UK (which means living
in the UK for periods which add up to 185 days or more in a 12
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I thought you had to live in the UK 185 days or something like that.
No , the term is "established" in the UK, basically to show you are living there, theres no minimum time. in the past they just accepted an address, now I believe they want to see proof of "establishment" typically a utility bill.


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You must also be ordinarily resident in the UK (which means living
in the UK for periods which add up to 185 days or more in a 12
month period).

Just be clear , the term "ordinarily resident" in the UK is a term from domiciles laws. There are a number of ways that you can be ordinary resident.

The key phrase is

Persons who are nationals of a European Union or European Economic Area country other than the United Kingdom and are established * in the UK

The term established is taken to mean that you make an economic contribution to the country , i.e. you pay for example utility bills.

It would be wrong to say that SSRs would be refused to people living there less then 185 days. in fact the SSR has no way of checking what is valid and what isn't. Usually they accept a UK address and evidence of residency such as a utility bill. ( proof of income tax etc)

Thats what happens in practice.
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re: Which Port of Registration?

well that sort of is clear, and sort of not. We are still resident in the UK, have our bank accounts there and a mailing address at our daughters. As far as the gov knows we still live in the uk, we're just out of the country, on a long holiday. So it looks like we can put on any port we like the name of. Do we have to but UK or GB after the port or is it EU nowadays or can we leave that bit out. We bought the boat in Puerta Rico but it was sold through a brokerage in the BVI.
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Hi shantycrew,

This is Andy, I could be wrong but I think that we met in Isleta Marina back in early December?!

I have a Hans Christian 33 that is going a refit with Salomon....I met a very nice couple from the UK that had just purchased a classic boat similar to mine

Is that you guys? We also had the same surveyor, Ciro. I hope it's you guys!!

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