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Old 03-09-2016, 10:15   #61
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Re: Which is the most seaworthy sailboat model you can think of?

Oh monkey, we all know size is not important!😀. Sometimes it can be an advantage....

Besides check out the shapely rear

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I might be slightly biased, but Hans Christian yachts tick all the boxes, and the were loosely based around the colin archer rescue ships, so you get two for one, a rescue ship and a yacht!!😀

Oh, and they are bloody gorgeous too!

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Vide my earlier post today.

I think a HCh is a better candidate for the prize than a CD and an Ingrid.

Still, if you look at past record of CA - lie hulls outside of their 'native' North Sea conditions, they looks bleak - thinking just of Tzu Hang, e.g.

For any older design, it is very difficult to say how very seaworthy they are vs. any newer design - simply for the fact that the base numbers are so vastly different.

I, anyways, would take a HCH over an Ingrid or a CD boat - smaller cockpit well, driver further away from the elements, etc. etc.

HCh are pretty much unbeatable in their class, except perhaps the vast wood (which does not affect seaworthiness discussions at all).

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Re: Which is the most seaworthy sailboat model you can think of?

Virtually any boat can survive a hurricane/typhoon at sea or moored. IMHO the worst place to be in one of those storms is on the hard, or at dock in a marina.

Instead of searching for a proverbial unicorn I would recommend

1. Learning weather patterns for your intended cruising area and how to read and decipher weather maps downloaded daily. Then put the pointy end of the boat (unless you have a double-ender then you would point the bow) in a direction away from the low.

2. Invest in over-sized ground tackle and lines and be ready to strip everything off the topsides that isn't literally bolted down. (But you could still drag, break free, or have another boat that loses hold slam into you.)

3. Invest in a parachute anchor if well out at sea, a drogue and other warps, storm trysail, etc. and learn how to heave to in a blow. (Praying helps also.)

Great seamanship and avoidance give you a fighting chance in just about any boat.
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Re: Which is the most seaworthy sailboat model you can think of?

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and full of maintenance teak to take up all mu Monkey time.
and a small cockpit
Don't you ever tire of critisizing other boat owner's stuff with your absolute nonesense? A Hans Christian is a beautiful, sturdy and seaworthy boat. I've spent time on Charlie's boat which is immaculate.

Unlike your boat.... Which doesn't seem to exist as far as anyone can tell.
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Re: Which is the most seaworthy sailboat model you can think of?

I will agree that hans christians are gorgeous, but mine aint immaculate, more of an ongoing project like most boats.

But i do enjoy buffing her up, she scrubs up well, and enjoys a bit of rough and tumble, so i am happy!
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I will agree that hans christians are gorgeous, but mine aint immaculate, more of an ongoing project like most boats.

But i do enjoy buffing her up, she scrubs up well, and enjoys a bit of rough and tumble, so i am happy!
You sell yourself short.
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Unlike your boat.... Which doesn't seem to exist as far as anyone can tell.
Your banal repetitive childish argument makes me laugh, Kenoo, but falls right in line with your theory of sailing.

"Real sailors buy new and buy expensive."

"I'm a sailor because I own a boat."

Don't you get tired of going shopping, Ken? or playing around with gadgets?
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Oh monkey, we all know size is not important!😀. Sometimes it can be an advantage....

Besides check out the shapely rear

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I was more admiring the keel which I thought was more wineglass than that.

Ingrid 38, which I looked @ here in the bay area: take away

BAD: cement keels, leaky teaky deck. very old and hard to find nice one. Keel Poor cutaway; easy trip.

GOOD: wineglass; barndoor rudder.

Id rather have a Valiant 40 than any of these
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Re: Which is the most seaworthy sailboat model you can think of?

Valiant 40, amazing. The underside of my Caliber is nearly identical to that of the Valiant 40 which I love. Modified fin keel, huge skeg hung rudder.
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I will agree that hans christians are gorgeous, but mine aint immaculate, more of an ongoing project like most boats.

But i do enjoy buffing her up, she scrubs up well, and enjoys a bit of rough and tumble, so i am happy!




The photo of her stern shows she has a very sweet stern. Pretty to see, I imagine, from any vantage point.
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Re: Which is the most seaworthy sailboat model you can think of?

Agree about valliant 40, great stuff, sir bob perry really excelled himself there!😀, nearly bought a 42, but the hans christian had me in her spell.
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Virtually any boat can survive a hurricane/typhoon at sea or moored. (...)
Objection !!!

Or do you mean 'may survive'?

And, mind you, 'survive' is simply not enough. When a small boat encounters a hurricane at sea, her crew are in extreme danger. Their boat may make it (while often will not) but the crew may not make it.

I believe by seaworthy we should discuss boats with live humans inside. Not 'corked bottles'.

What is your take on this matter?

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Has the OP posted any follow up?
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Your banal repetitive childish argument makes me laugh, Kenoo, but falls right in line with your theory of sailing.

"Real sailors buy new and buy expensive."

"I'm a sailor because I own a boat."

Don't you get tired of going shopping, Ken? or playing around with gadgets?
Don't you get tired of pretending to be a monkey? "You are a monkey because you think you're a monkey?"

Or wasting time on a cruisers forum since you don't seem to own a boat or go boating? Whats the point? Unless you just enjoy pestering people who enjoy things you don't have.
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Objection !!!

Or do you mean 'may survive'?

And, mind you, 'survive' is simply not enough. When a small boat encounters a hurricane at sea, her crew are in extreme danger. Their boat may make it (while often will not) but the crew may not make it.

I believe by seaworthy we should discuss boats with live humans inside. Not 'corked bottles'.

What is your take on this matter?

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Spot on! Many a boat has been found floating after being hit by a cyclone - the boat has been found (sometimes months or years afterwards) but not the crew.

If anybody can find the video "Sponsor Wanted" made by Don McIntyre during his BOC RTW, watch the section of him passing Cape Horn into the Atlantic to see what happens inside (and outside) when a well founded boat decides to think it is a submarine - and that was just a storm, not a cyclone!

ETA: YT https://youtu.be/vpmF7m5onxU
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