Well I guess I need to clear a few things up then,
It apears some assumptions are being made.
First about our situation and next step. You see if we buy now I would not be setting off into the sunset. Rather we would be living at a marina (the one I work at and I assure you prices are a hell of a lot cheaper then 2K a month try more like $700 for a 32'). This will give us a base and since we live in a beautiful spot we can do plenty of cruising locally for a while at the same time setting up the yacht over a shortish period of time to sail further and longer. Even with maintenance
and upkeep we will save moeny over where we are renting
You see if we buy locally the yacht could need more work as we will have time. If we buy in NZ or Tas then the yacht needs to be able to safely make the crossing home.
If we buy in Americas then she needs to be in even better shape.....
Now a lot of what Mark has said is his rightful personal opinion. I however disagree with a lot of the pesimistic comments. Just because someone thinks it cant be done does not make it so.
I will adress some of the things said so that this thread can contnue to move forward in a positive manner and stay on track (this thread is about yacht selection not about our decisions/plans and if one agree on our wisdom)
Mark said "If you really want to subject a 2 year old and a baby to the riggors of the ocean on $40k you're nuts. (said in the nicest possable way with a view to: "temper my thoughts")"
That depends what the boat is and how it is prepared putting a price restriction on this does not make it relevant. I would also like to add that life is inhearently risky and by that statement we could argue that it would be unsafe to take your family
on the freeway in a car older than such and such or worth less then such. FYI people that have more money have what some would call "priviledge" maybe such as better health care
more expensive yachts and more insurance
. But for others we are entitled to still live life and within our means. Some of the happiest people I have ever met are those in third world countries. For the the mostp part they live long happy lives with thier children
growing up being better people then a lot of wealthier counterparts. (Im not talking about war torn or countries with civil unrest that are enduring much suffering)
Mark said "Let me tell you that we know what the costs are and as hard as it is for you, it will be a hell of a lot harder for you if you put to sea thinking you can do it on a wish and a prayer."
Who said anything about things being hard for us? We are just trying to move on with our dream, we are not trying to escape anything here.
You have no idea of our full intention nor the steps we plan on to get there. You are filling in the blanks from the tid bits of what I have said and you have obviously over estimated your ability to read my mind.
Mark said "Just an EPIRB with integrated GPS is reasonable percentage of the value of your boat. And yo expect to be given if for free in some super deal?"
Just because someone has the proper safety equipment
on board does not make the yacht worth a lot more money it does make it more saleable. Many yachts even cheap
ones have elecronics and safety gear
so Im not sure what your talking about here, regardless these things to us are considered a bonus and not make or break, if the yacht was say in NZ then ithey would be a selling feature to us but those things can be purchased. BTW used electronics
are no where near a reasonable percentage of our boat value. To me if that is the case with your yacht Mark you probably have way more electronics
aboard than I ever wish to have.
Mark said" Also the shitlocker thats worth $40k will be a pain in the neck to sell. Maybe 2 years till you can flog it... but you want to buy another in 2 years? So you will buy one and put it on the market? There ain't no market! Look at Boatpoint and you will see the same boats as last year."
Wrong! A yacht is worth only what someone is willing to pay and I look at it like what buyers (plural) are willing to pay. So if a yacht is on the market for 2 years like so many are in Australia
, whats that tell you? Yup asking way more than they are worth. Im not interested in those yachts Im not lookoing for the deal of the century either just a solid buy to which when well maintained fixed up and loved will sell for its fair value in the future.
I would also like to add I did not put a time frame on when we might choose to upgrade. Would it not be wiser to test the waters with something smaller cheaper and prhaps find out we dont want to long term cruise
and be left with a nice little yacht we can take on short cruises then to wait many years invest all that money to come to the same conclusion and be left with a yacht that is to big for us to sustain as a pleasure vessel and then have to downgrade?
Mark said "A 1970's $40k boat does not require a sailor... it requires a ship buider!"
Whatever, that is such a blanketed statement.
Mark said "A new baby requires clean water, hot water, refrigeration, electricty all the things that a worksite of a boat will not supply."
Uh... we have had a child alraedy.....like I said we would be at a marina for the first while. I would say a rough estimation for doing a bit bigger cruising would be when our youngest is 2
Mark said "A 2 year old "terrible two's" requires clean water, bath times with hot water, a clear area to safely crash around in."
BTW how did humans ever survive without all the Modcons? It amazes me still that the modern world has developing nations where the people havent all died off. As far as safety issues go Ill tell you growing up on a farm is a lot more dangerouse then growing up on a yacht.
Heck its probably a lot safer then just growing up in the middle of a big city especially if you are a lower income
earner (this relates to where yu would have an apartment you would take a lot of public transport etc) and yet in both cases families can grow up healthy and happy.
Mark said "Now can I mention to you what a contingency fund is? Can I mention how much it needs to be. How it will never have enough in it. How you will make one little mistake and it will screw the fund up so bad you will be miserable to the max."
So you are saying you dont have a big enough contingancy plan? If you like I can give you a lesson you see in some ways it is realitive to what the conigency is for. Example a smaller conitgency is needed for less valuable projects or ventures for other things no amount could cover you. For the most part though if you apply KISS and are thourough in your venture then you wont need as much as someone that can just be complacent and chuch money at things.
Mark said "The people who we have met whilst crusing ALL have threats to their lifestyle.
Its NOT storms, or pirates.
The threats are: Boats that don't go; partners that don't want to be there; money.
Mix 2 together and we see people with a look in their eyes that you see on bridge ledges."
Well I guess they should have bought a cheaper yacht to start with and known when to cut thier losses earlier.
Ill let you in on a recent event. We were threatened by bush fire last week with flames licking the houses across from us in that big blow we just had.
It came suddenly and we were only made aware when my wife looked out the window and saw flames. So we grabbed our ID and my wife and baby headed for safety. She asked if I wanted her to grab anything " I said is there anything you cant live without (we still had time and were not in immidiate danger) Her reply "no" She asked is there anything you cant live without I said "no" I dont really care its just stuff if you want grab the laptop
or any other small items that can be sold so we can put the money toward our yacht.
You see even if it got to the point where we had we had everything into the yacht and we had to just let it go, leave it or it was destroyed, the only important thing to us is eachother. It would not bother us one bit (my wife is the same) We are survivours so where someone wants to stand on a bridge and end it all..we would be gratefull for what we had left even if that meant only life itself and the memories of lost
Mark said "Now, there's the crux. If an old boat needs work where can you do that work. At a marina. And that costs money in Australia like you wouldnt believe. $2,000 per month in Sydney, no cheaper up the coast.
To work on the boat at anchor is very difficult. No power tools, a pain to run back and forth to the shops etc. A pain to get to work."
This is not a crux. I have summited many techinically hard alpine mountains, big walls, ice faces etc on long and envloved expeditions with chalanging logistics. I can assure you I am intement with Cruxe's in its different forms. So one this is no crux to me and two I have adressed this above.
Mark said "Have a second think about it all. If you can live simply as you say then why not work till you can afford a boat and the lifestyle?
Plus think about what you are really after: do you want to travel the world? Or are you looking for a substitute home for the one the banks wont let you buy?"
By putting up this post and the information I have provided it should be apearent that I think things through thouroughly. I assure you I have more than thought about this eeven more then the suggested once. Some may feel threatend by ones entering the cruising lifestyle on a budget perhaps afraid we might cramp their style? Perhaps some think it should be only exclusive to the materially wealthy or that its only possible to do things the way they do them....I have even met such minded people in our area but jsut because they think it does not make it so....
Now mark do you have any yacht suggestions? check my other post I have already made 2 suggestions perhaps you have some insight? I am sure you are a very knowledegable cruiser, I think you may have put the cart before the horse a bit is all. So please feel free to comment on yacht selection and I want to be clear that the main reason for responding to your remarks are that I have heard them before and so hopefully it puts that part of it to rest on this thread so we can focus on the topic. If you have other concearns not related to yacht selection please feel free to Pm me.