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Old 21-10-2011, 01:03   #1
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What Would You Do Differently when Designing a Monohull ?

Are modern mono hull designers getting it right or are they designed by a computer and someone who appears never to have sailed but knows how to designer a boat that appeals to women?

I say this as often it is our partners we have to persuade and designers know this so things are made to look good for them.

If you were designing a mono hulled boat what would you add, take away or change.

My big gripe is that designers seem to be doing away with storage so the internal space/ master cabin looks bigger.

What would you do differently?
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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

Add a second hull and you get lots of storage and more speed
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Add a second hull and you get lots of storage and more speed
And a lot bigger marina bill.
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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

Get a sailboat designed in the 1960s.
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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

Depends on how big and what the budget is..
Designing a boat that is be be a infomercial success is different then designing one that fits like a glove.
I'm a big fan of a dingy garage.
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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

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And a lot bigger marina bill.

This is an illusion that every monohuller tend to believe. But unfortunately it's not true..
In med almost all of the marinas are charging by square meter.(max length by max length)

If you take into account that e.g 40 ft catamaran is providing the living space of a 48-50 ft monohull and that because of rectangular shape of the catamaran you occupy all the surface that you are paying for vs. the monohull that pays roughly the double of what she occupies (again due to the shape..) you will see that the cat is not more expensive, if actually cheaper..

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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

I feel that my "modern" boat has as much storage as my last boat, it's just located in different places. And the boat sails better and is easier to handle.

And why do people feel that newer boats are designed for "women"? I'm not a women and love the design of my boat.

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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

The saying that people who design and build boats should have to fix them also. Cost saving construction techniques often leave many areas unaccessable, or equipment and systems almost unfixable without major surgery. All boats need to be fixed at some point, and the difficulties encountered lead to delays and expenses that can hinder usage and enjoyment.
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I feel that my "modern" boat has as much storage as my last boat, it's just located in different places. And the boat sails better and is easier to handle.

And why do people feel that newer boats are designed for "women"? I'm not a women and love the design of my boat.

Time to crawl out of the cave guys!
Don, I can say this,,,the hunter sails nice and had the most comfortable cabin I have been in on a sailboat, lots of room
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Old 21-10-2011, 06:03   #10
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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

Not listen to the designer when he says use a Yanmar engine!
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Re: What would you do differently when designing a mono hull?

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Are modern mono hull designers getting it right or are they designed by a computer and someone who appears never to have sailed but knows how to designer a boat that appeals to women?

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If you were designing a mono hulled boat what would you add, take away or change.
Yep. Modern boats are designed very, very well. They float, they look, they have the living space, they have the appeal to the market for which they are designed too! You can have a huge flat and light Pogo - to go fast, a more static HR - to go and impress some, a Bestwind to take you to the ice. Plenty of choice.

Storage space is IMHO no issue - just get the bigger boat. It is so easy to get the bigger boat once you have the mortgage!

The item that I would like to see in modern designs more often (at least in these designs that do go anywhere anyways) is a more sailable sail and rig plan. Huge, in-mast mainsails and one (often pretty heavy) top-mast genoa make the otherwise lovely designs sail like pigs.

So, for me: a nice, modern, computer designed hull with custom rig/sailplan.

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The saying that people who design and build boats should have to fix them also. Cost saving construction techniques often leave many areas unaccessable, or equipment and systems almost unfixable without major surgery. All boats need to be fixed at some point, and the difficulties encountered lead to delays and expenses that can hinder usage and enjoyment.
This same attitude is held by every aircraft mechanic I have ever met (40 years in the field). Engineers know how to design things that will pass every test required. But the tests do not generally reflect the real world. Aircraft manufacturers require parts built to specs that require too much emphasis on weight and not enough on durability.

In much the same way that some engineering aspects of boats are designed for aesthetic reasons rather then the real seaworthiness requirements . The parts will work, and for exactly the required amount of time, but the real world lasts a lot longer than the 2-5-10 or whatever year warranty. A perfect boat could be built, just like the perfect aircraft, but there would be trade offs in aesthetics, performance, and cost. You have to search for the boat that comes closest to YOUR interpretation of perfection.

Your perfect boat may be one that can go RTW no problem. But there are too many coastal cruisers in the world to think that a blue water boat would be perfect for everyone.
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Don, I can say this,,,the hunter sails nice and had the most comfortable cabin I have been in on a sailboat, lots of room

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And a lot bigger marina bill.
Make it and all contents inflatable?
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