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Old 10-04-2014, 19:53   #31
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Re: What Sailboats Heel the Least

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You are being incredibly naive and oversimplifying this. It sounds as though you like the Beneteau for other reasons and want to believe the salesman's BS.

For moderate winds, you should be learning about something called initial stability, which governs the amount of heel under given conditions. It has far more to do with the beam and the underbody shape of the boat than whether it has a bulb on the keel.

Be nice, the OP is no expert but he's trying to learn by asking here.

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Old 10-04-2014, 20:01   #32
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Greenhand - yes, it was a 411 not 441, my bad.

There was no sales pitch, just conversation.

I would say if other boats heel 30 to 35 and a Beneteau 411 only heels 20 that would be noticeable.

And even if some of the RM discussion is 'right now' over my head it is something that I will want to understand...I think.

I don't have big bucks for a cat. Even if they don't heel much at all.

Sounds like it is true that a Beneteau does not heel as much as other boats. So are there other boats like this? Or should I focus just on the Beneteau's.
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A modern Beneteau, an Oceanis or Sense will sail with a lot less heel than a 411 (a good boat). It has nothing to do with the brand but with the designs. Oceanis and Sense series are using the same type of hulls, Hanse also as well as for instance Azuree.

Coming from fast small cats and wanting a small monohull for bigger comfort and safety (for the size) probably I know what you want, but this is a type of boat that you can only find on recent models and that means expensive. Have a look (these ones also sail with small heel):

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Old 10-04-2014, 20:13   #33
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Be nice, the OP is no expert but he's trying to learn by asking here.

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I WAS being nice... you should see me when I'm not.

If the OP were really interested in learning, he wouldn't have ignored all the helpful comments that were offered and come back with a restatement of belief in what the salesman had told him.
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Old 10-04-2014, 22:42   #34
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Greenhand - yes, it was a 411 not 441, my bad.

There was no sales pitch, just conversation.

I would say if other boats heel 30 to 35 and a Beneteau 411 only heels 20 that would be noticeable.

And even if some of the RM discussion is 'right now' over my head it is something that I will want to understand...I think.

I don't have big bucks for a cat. Even if they don't heel much at all.

Sounds like it is true that a Beneteau does not heel as much as other boats. So are there other boats like this? Or should I focus just on the Beneteau's.









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any modern boat will possess this to a greater or lesser extent. it is not a beneteau exclusive. jennie, moodys, hunters, hansas, you name them, they all heel less than older full keel boats

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Old 10-04-2014, 23:02   #35
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What's all this nonsense about boats that heel little or less? Heeling is part of the fun of sailing. Looking down at all that water going by is a rush. A tri doing 20+k with two hulls flying is the greatest rush.
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All that said if I had to make a long upwind passage offshore in a strong breeze a Beneteau Sense or its ilk would be the last boat I'd want to be on as you'd lose your teeth fillings. Yes you can slow them down and foot off but then your going to be out there longer. I don't consider these good upwind boats in a bigger seaway. They are however wonderful reaching boats and you gotta love them when sailing in those conditions.
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The one that stays in berth and/or doesn't hoist sails.

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New Shannon 53 HPS supposedly heel up to 10 degrees max. due to specially designed hull shape.
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New Shannon 53 HPS supposedly heel up to 10 degrees max. due to specially designed hull shape.
You leave enough sail up in enough wind and anything will heel until it dumps the wind when it's 90 degrees over. It might have a small sail area or an incredible amount of stability so it takes a lot of wind, but eventually it's going to heel way over.

It could very well be that the boat sails best at 10 or 15 degrees of heel and that you should reduce sail as needed to not exceed that heel angle. That might not happen until there is 15, 20 or 25 knots of wind. There's nothing wrong with that either. (Unless the boat becomes a dog in lighter air, at least for me.)

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As an ex girlfriend once said when I introduced her to sailing.....

"hey.. let go of this string thing and it doesnt bend over as much!"

Not a lot more to say is there...............
Not hard to figure out what the ex was good at weevis....
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Not hard to figure out what the ex was good at weevis....
Actually she wasnt....... that was 2 strikes against..... the 3rd was she couldnt cook either. Im fairly experienced in the kitchen and couldnt justify the extra work for one more and no benefits....... go figure!
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Re: What Sailboats Heel the Least

To solve the OPs dilema.... Less heel? you need to:

  • Go get a Bilge keel.
  • If you dont want a catamaran, and whilst personally I dont understand your reluctance, but hey...
  • You will have just the most amazing time on a bilge keel.
  • Smaller,
  • trimmer,
  • stable, and a good plodder.
  • Ive had my best youth years on a Seawych 19, an Eventide 24 and a Westerly Taurus.
find a bigger one for yourself. But they solve the problem.
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Actually she wasnt....... that was 2 strikes against..... the 3rd was she couldnt cook either. Im fairly experienced in the kitchen and couldnt justify the extra work for one more and no benefits....... go figure!
I'm having NO trouble wondering why things didn't work out then ! ! !

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To solve the OPs dilema.... Less heel? you need to:
  • Go get a Bilge keel.
  • If you dont want a catamaran, and whilst personally I dont understand your reluctance, but hey...
  • You will have just the most amazing time on a bilge keel.
  • Smaller,
  • trimmer,
  • stable, and a good plodder.
  • Ive had my best youth years on a Seawych 19, an Eventide 24 and a Westerly Taurus.
find a bigger one for yourself. But they solve the problem.
+1

Like a Morgan...
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To solve the OPs dilema.... Less heel? you need to:

  • Go get a Bilge keel.
  • If you dont want a catamaran, and whilst personally I dont understand your reluctance, but hey...
  • You will have just the most amazing time on a bilge keel.
  • Smaller,
  • trimmer,
  • stable, and a good plodder.
  • Ive had my best youth years on a Seawych 19, an Eventide 24 and a Westerly Taurus.
find a bigger one for yourself. But they solve the problem.
Actually.. I just went and looked. There are a number of GOOD vessels out there in the bilge keel variant in the 30 feet plus range.
Now I didnt know that.. for some reason I thought they were all the smaller craft.
going to look again...
Seriously though... less heel, go bilge keel.
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+1

Like a Morgan...
A morgan is a bilge keel? really? I didnt know.... I need to get out more..
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