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Old 16-01-2013, 02:50   #286
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

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Running amok me thinks thou he looks salty. Proves only allmost anything that floats is "capable" to cross oceans. Should someone do that is another matter..

That kinda chimes in with my position on most things boat related - 99% is possible (whether a 1 year toodle around the Carribean on a 40 foot Beneteau by a middle aged couple or rounding Cape Horn in a bathtub, with 5 family members, 3 dogs and a goat onboard ), the questions are therefore really:-

a) how likely?
b) how wise?

and the answers to those revolve around the person doing the doing and their personal circumstances (a lot of that revolving around cash - wishful thinking only gets yer so far). Likely also that mental health status will play a part - for some things a few screws missing is useful .
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It is the skipper,

Aron Meder, a 29 year old Hungarian sailor who sets out and sailed alone for the past 2 and half years, growing a long beard, looking a bit like Tom Hanks in that Castaway movie. His beloved yacht is a small and limited capacity called Carina, only 19.

just look at what this guy has been sailing around the world in.

Aron Meder - Google Search
LOL! Okay he gets the prize!

I guess there is no point in arguing about his watermaker or reefer system or washer/dryer, huh?
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

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I'll reserve the right to be a bit leery of it in very high winds.
Hard to believe people are still frightened by in-mast furlers. It's 2013, for goodness sake!

Indeed, "very high winds" is exactly the time to have an in-mast furler. We're talking about a system where a single person can furl the main WITHOUT LEAVING THE COCKPIT. And the main can be furled to any size, even the size of a storm sail, or even smaller.

Think about it: with a conventional main, once the wind builds to where the third reef is no longer short enough, the main has to be put away and a storm sail has to be rigged. With in-mast furling, if you've got the sail at 50% and decide you still need to shorten sail, it will take you about 30 seconds to complete the job, without ever poking your head out from behind the dodger. I can complete the entire operation in less time than it takes you to go below and haul a storm trisail back up the companionway.

Want to furl down to one or two square meters? No problem. Only takes a few seconds, and nobody has to tether to a jackline in the process.
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LOL! Okay he gets the prize!

I guess there is no point in arguing about his watermaker or reefer system or washer/dryer, huh?
From Aron's Website:

There are four immortal firsts in single-handed ocean sailing.
1. The first man ever to sail across an ocean single-handed was an American, Alfred Johnson, in 1876. The little craft (Centennial) was a 20ft dory with gaff cutter rig, decked and with a canvas cover for the cockpit. The boat was unballasted and once turned over for a period of 20 mintues until she could be righted. The voyage was 64 days from Gloucester, Mass. to Abercastle, Wales, where JOhnson arrived on 18 August - average speed 2 knots.
2. The first man to circumnavigate the world alone was Joshua Slocum (USA), a professional seaman. His famous yacht was a sloop Spray, converted during the voyage to a yawl with a small mizzen. She was LOA 36ft 9in, beam 14ft 2 in, and draught 4ft. North Atlantic - Gibraltar - South America - Magellan Strait - South Pacific - eastern Australia - Indian Ocean - Cape of Good Hope - USA (24 April 1895 - 27 June 1898)
3. The first man to sail round the world without calling in at any port was Robin Knox-Johnston (Brit.). Falmouth, Cornwall 14 June 1968 - Falmouth, Cornwall 22 April 1969 (313 days out) Average speed 3.6 knots He had sailed down through the Atlantic, round the Cape of Good Hope, through the Roaring Forties south of Australia and New Zealand, round Cape Horn and back up the Atlantic to England. His yacht Suhaili was a Bermuda ketch (LOA 32ft 5in).
4. The first man to sail alone round the world against the prevailing winds, that is from east to west in the Roaring Forties, was Chay Blyth (Brit.). In the specailly designed and built 59ft (LWL 43ft 6in) steel ketch British Steel. Hamble, England 18 Oct. 1970 - Hamble, England 6 August 1971. Average speed: 3.858 knots

Bernard Moitessier (Joshua): "Talking of records is stupid, an insult to the sea. The thought of a competition is grotesque. You have to understand that when one man is months and months alone one evolves; some say people go nuts..."


The website:Carina and me

His boat is a 19'er.
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

He's cool!

And Bernard Moitessier!
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

The CE Category listing:

Category - Vind(Beauforts) - Waveheight meters

A - More than 8 - More than 4 (Bluewater)

B - up to 8 - up to 4 (Costal)

C - up to 6 - up to 2 (Close costal)

D - Up to 4 - Up to 0.3 (Protected/innland)


This is the CE or the european production boat chart.
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

First boat to sail around Australia was 'Scaffie' a 35' Joe Adams sloop i built on an island in the Whitsundays. a very good steel round bilger of 1/8th thickness.

Still sailing strong in Spain. A very capable blue water boat!
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The CE Category listing:

Category - Vind(Beauforts) - Waveheight meters

A - More than 8 - More than 4 (Bluewater)

B - up to 8 - up to 4 (Costal)

C - up to 6 - up to 2 (Close costal)

D - Up to 4 - Up to 0.3 (Protected/innland)

This is the CE or the european production boat chart.
Sure but they are relatively meaningless. Insurance companies don't use them for instance.

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The CE Category listing:

Category - Vind(Beauforts) - Waveheight meters

A - More than 8 - More than 4 (Bluewater)

B - up to 8 - up to 4 (Costal)

C - up to 6 - up to 2 (Close costal)

D - Up to 4 - Up to 0.3 (Protected/innland)


This is the CE or the european production boat chart.
I believe the CE was mainly introduced to stem the flow of cheap US boats killing of the European boat builders...
to many were at it
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Old 19-01-2013, 18:31   #295
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I believe the CE was mainly introduced to stem the flow of cheap US boats killing of the European boat builders...
to many were at it
Actually no , its was a started by the Brits, to ensure their power boats boats could be sold in the Med without further certification. BMIF brought pressure on the EU commission, we got the RCD as a result , damm



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Sure but they are relatively meaningless. Insurance companies don't use them for instance.

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You are quiet right, here in Norway all you need is to register your boat so you could confirm ownership and then whoala, Insurence. However, I feel more comertable with a boat that is made and testet some, rather than not at all as back in the days.
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

More blue water boat data:

Notable voyages and sailors:

Bill Wolfram, born 1950, sailed a Bristol 22, We-Tu, from Port Townsend, Washington, to Australia and back, around 2002-2004.
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Not a sailboat, but still an impressive demonstration of what constitutes "bluewater capable": In 1896 Frank Samuelsen and George Harbo rowed across the Atlantic ocean in an 18-foot open rowboat. It was built of oak with a couple of watertight flotation compartments and two rowing benches, and included rails to help them right it if capsized. Their time record of 55 days and 13 hours rowing the North Atlantic was not broken for another 114 years.
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Re: What Makes a Boat "Bluewater" Capable?

IMHO neither ability/inability to get insurance nor earlier ocean voyages in same design make a boat bluewater. Driver's experience or lack of thereof of no importance either.

So to say, in my eye, it becomes pretty much down to design and build quality.

Plenty of non bluewater craft cross oceans every year. And so do an even higher number of emptied PET bottles, old flip-flops, and cetera.

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It is the skipper,

Aron Meder, a 29 year old Hungarian sailor who sets out and sailed alone for the past 2 and half years, growing a long beard, looking a bit like Tom Hanks in that Castaway movie. His beloved yacht is a small and limited capacity called Carina, only 19.

just look at what this guy has been sailing around the world in.

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