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Old 10-10-2018, 17:40   #121
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IMO, that is a blue water skipper showing how his skills make up for weakness in his chosen vessel.

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That boat is certainly not weak which is why it survived, nor is the other one which survived also. They are still afloat even when the Skippers were not able to help during the storm

They are at about 79/80 long.

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You may need to reread the conditions associated with that storm they encountered.

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Old 10-10-2018, 20:58   #122
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Thanks for the info everyone... I think I will stick to the plan ...{steps away}
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Old 10-10-2018, 22:07   #123
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That boat’s a mess, which demontrates what can happen when you choose the wrong boat for the job. Thankfully, the skipper was able to overcome his boats shortcomings.
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Old 10-10-2018, 22:23   #124
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Re: What EXACTLY is a "blue water boat"?

Well I must be missing something because I don't see a mess. Yes, it has been dismasted. Is there someone among us here sailing a boat that cannot be knocked down, rolled and/or dismasted?
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Well I must be missing something because I don't see a mess. Yes, it has been dismasted. Is there someone among us here sailing a boat that cannot be knocked down, rolled and/or dismasted?
Please read post #123. Positive proof... wrong boat for the job.
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Please read post #123. Positive proof... wrong boat for the job.
I did.
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Old 10-10-2018, 23:24   #127
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I would like to buy her myself … if she is still for sale next spring.


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I did.
As did I. Can't say what Kenomac's problem, waiting him to point it out.
What I have an opinion of is the masts. Luc shortened the masts to be on the safe side considering the possible knock downs. IMHO the fact this race is merely strong down winds makes it very clever decision. The dismasted ones didn't and while it's impossible to say if their rigs would have survived if they were shorter it couldn't have be worse outcome.

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Old 11-10-2018, 03:55   #129
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That boat’s a mess, which demontrates what can happen when you choose the wrong boat for the job. Thankfully, the skipper was able to overcome his boats shortcomings.
Ridiculous statement.

You keep forgetting the history behind these boats. They are what was used for many, many years long before and the newer condo designs arrived on the scene.

Most any boat near the same size would have looked the same way in that storm if it survived at all

The point is that since it was a well built full keel boat it was strong enough to stay afloat and give the Skipper a chance to sail it in.

Many of the newer designs could easily have been sunk in such a storm!

I actually think the boat looks pretty darn good for what it's been thru and still moving through the water well

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Harrison,

To cross the ocean you’ll need more than buying a blue water boat and whatever the boat you gonna buy, I’ll start to be familiar with the boat you gonna buy and go step by step prior to engaging to cross the Atlantic.
Without wanting to discourage you, the budget you have available, hardly covers the preparation and the equipment required for a safe trip.
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Old 11-10-2018, 04:38   #131
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One of the biggest problems in the GGR Race storm were the lulls and changes in wind direction

Here's a good article on seaworthiness which points out many of the faults of the old full keelers but at the same time admitting that they are still the most seaworthy

http://no-frills-sailing.com/what-makes-a-sailing-yacht-seaworthy-skippers-basics/

From the article in the link above. (dated April 2016)

In Brief: What´s a seaworthy Yacht?
When it comes to seaworthiness, a modern T-keel boat is as safe as the sturdy full keel-yacht: “If the skipper can handle the boat properly and has the skills, from my point of view it is really not a matter of which keel a boat features.”, says Tim Kröger. Of course, when looking at the diagrams showing stability curves for different boats it´s crystal clear: A classic full keel yacht should, in terms of capsize and “good manor” in heavy weather, get the label as most seaworthy.
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Re: What EXACTLY is a "blue water boat"?

Even with a stuffed mast, The boat still looks in pretty good shape,

Maybe the mast isnt a capable Blue water mast,
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Re: What EXACTLY is a "blue water boat"?

There’re many good reasons “they don’t make them like they used to.” Technology and design have long since moved on....
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I don't know about that, I paid $8500 for a Southern Cross 31 that hadn't been sailed in ten years, or out of the water in that time, bought it in Carolina Beach North Carolina in late July 2013 lifted it out of the water at Hampstead a couple of weeks later, spent about 300 dollars on it, then left the USA in late October 2013 went to Bermuda, then Antigua Montserrat Gaudloup, back to Bermuda, then from there a straight run to Scotland, arrived Scotland in July 2014, had no life raft, had no sails left when I arrived in Scotland, hadn't eaten in eight days, made my first landfall on the island of Barra under own steam, (or what was left of the sails as engine didn't work) my second landfall on Islay was made with the help of the Islay life boat, my final destination Largs was again made under own power (fixed engine in Islay) Put my log book on Amazon, The Troubles of Tribulation, and wrote a book about it, again on Amazon, Loose Cannon on Deck, its not money, its just determination, and a decent hull.
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There’re many good reasons “they don’t make them like they used to.” Technology and design have long since moved on....
And some bad reasons as saving costs which lead to new "techs" as full liner and brass seacocks to mention two.

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