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Old 23-02-2010, 18:30   #1
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What Do You Think of this Vessel ?

Check this one -

Used 1971 CUSTOM YACHT Boat For Sale - boatsales.com.au

I am going to ask ...

" would that engine be a "Ducati IS22" ??
with the engine aircooled - some thru hulls are eliminated

What number / type of other thru hulls?

The weight in the keel - is it lead - or concrete and steel?



"Sails = 5"

Is there a description of type? condition?
storm jib / trysail?? Light air sail(s)

Anchors - Looks like CQR on the bowsprit ... presume that be there still...weight?
the other anchor : weight/type?


Designed by whom? any sister ships? If "like a Tom Thumb" , how does it differ?

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Old 23-02-2010, 18:37   #2
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I think you need to go for a day cruise to see if you can tolerate the heat and the noise from an air cooled engine. It may not be worth having one less thruhull fitting for this type of engine.
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Old 23-02-2010, 20:03   #3
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Cool looking vessel. Looks very seaworthy for her size.
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Old 23-02-2010, 21:15   #4
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Scare Rab -
Why would you think it has a Ducati engine? Am I missing something?
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Old 23-02-2010, 21:22   #5
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Didn't realize that Ducati made a 20 hp diesel. Hmmm.
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Old 23-02-2010, 23:18   #6
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Ducati Diesel

As a diesel engine machine shop owner of 32 years we have experience with this engine.
Forget it ! I believe there are no spare parts & the vibration is a serious challenge.
Budget for a new engine (water cooled 2 or 3 cyl)

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Old 24-02-2010, 00:36   #7
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Ducati ? = further info sent by broker follows:

Air-cooled Ducati? = No Parts?

Asking God (sorry 'Googling') would suggest the truth of this...

Old Marine Engine: Ducati diesel

I reckon I could be getting an awful lot of seaworthy boat for US$6,250

AND a stinker of an engine.





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Price: $11,500
Name: Poppy Lee

Type: One Off Design
DIMENSIONS
Launched: 1971
Length: 24ft + Bowsprit/Davits
Colours: Blue/White
Beam: 10ft
Condition: Good
Draft: 4ft 6in
Registration: SZ073Q to 08/2010

Survey: August 2009
DESIGN

Designer: Schroeder
CONSTRUCTION
Make: Model:
Built: 1971
Purpose: cruising
Hull: Steel
Keel: long
Decks: Steel
Rudder: skeg hung
Coach House: Steel


ENGINE
ELECTRICAL
Brand: Ducatti air cooled
Int Lighting 12V: Yes 240wired:
HP: 20
Radios: VHF
No Cylinders: 2 Fuel Consumption: 1 lph
Sounder:
Cruising Speed: 5 knots Top Speed:
Auto Pilot: nil GPS: nil
Engine Hours:
Sound System: nil
Batteries: 3
Solar Panels: 1
Fuel Capacity: 60 litres
Computers: nil
Fuel Type: Diesel

Fuel Tank Construction: s/steel
ACCOMMODATION
Propeller: 3 blade
Berths: 4

Int finish: White (painted)

Head Room: 6ft 2in

Toilet: Porta-potti Holding Tank: nil

Shower: nil
GENERAL EQUIPMENT
Stove: nil Sink: nil
Life Jackets: 3 adult
Cutlery/crockery:
Life Ring: 1 V Sheet: 1

Compasses: 1
WATER SYSTEM
EPIRB: nil Flares: 1 set
Construction: 3 s/s tanks
Fire Extinguishers: 1
Capacity: 180 litres
Bilge Pumps: 2
Hot Water System: nil
Dinghy: 10ft + oars

Outboard: nil
ABOVE DECKS

Steering: tiller

Winches: 3
Sails:
Anchors: 2
5 sets
Chain: 70 metres
Gaff rig
Anchor winch: manual

Awning: yes

Covers: nil
Rigging:
Swim Ladder: nil
s/steel
Fenders: 2

Gas Bottles: nil
OTHER
Charts: nil
Porta potti

Freshly painted inside and out
ADDITIONAL
Anitfouled: 08/2009
Refrigeration/ Fishing gear:

75 litre ice box
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Old 24-02-2010, 02:47   #8
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Might not be the end of the world...

If the old diesel works then keeping it might not be the end of the world.

A replacement may be heavier and larger (for the same power) and will require additional plumbing for the raw water inlet and a wet exhaust, not to mention everthing else that may need to be done.

If you do buy the boat then by all means factor in a new engine/transmission/propeller/plumbing but first give the old engine a gentle clean, replace the oil, filters (if you can find them) and see how it all performs.

I would have thought that 20hp would give more than 5knots so the power may be a tad optimistic.
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Old 24-02-2010, 06:11   #9
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Perhaps you buy the boat. If the engine works out - fine. If not repower.

If you are on a shoestring then hang an outboard bracket on the transom if the engine quits.

Anne Hill & Peter used a sea gull for Badger for a long time before replacing it with a Ducati. They saw a large part of the world. Not to mention Larry and Lyn with NO engine.

Interesting boat. If it has no major internal corrosion issues then get in and go.
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Old 24-02-2010, 08:33   #10
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You might be getting a lot of boat for your money, but you will need to put a lot of money into her.

Steel construction, good and sturdy provided no rust.
I did not see any insulation in the cabin top, this can be HOT in tropical climates and COLD in ligh lattitudes.
Fixed portlights, no cross ventilation.
Rigging questionable... the turnbuckles would definately need to be replaced with proper ones that have toggles on both ends, and not just open hooks.
No toe rail on deck. This is a safety concern.
No galley and only a portapottie. This is somewhat of a personal preference, and if you are only using the boat for daysailing, then you would not need more, but I would not be happy with those accomodations.

All in all, this is a work in progress, and you would need to face that up front.
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Nice looking boat... the only thing that might be worth checking is the hull gauge remaining below the waterline considering shes 38+ yrs old.
The heads no worry... pottie in port... over the side at sea.. just dont dump the paper, bag it till you reach Port. Marine loo at a latter date.
The rigging/turnbuckles are relatively inexpensive to replace if you go galvanised.
Dump the engine, it'l give you more storage space.. and fit an O/B with sliding bracket which keeps it more secure and out of the water while sailing instead of sticking out astern as on the spring loaded types.
Insulation is up to you... cork tiles from DIY stores work well and look good if done properly and on a boat this small it wont break you...lol.
Toe rail I would not worry about unless your a butter fingers.. in which case you could end up losing a few things over the side..lol
Go for it...
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Looks like Tom Thumb on steroids. Won't go upwind, but why go upwind anyway.

I like her on her looks. Have you met her up close and personal?

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Is it just the photo playing tricks, or are the very narrow side decks slanted?
Just the narrowness is enough to make me question what it would be like getting to the foredeck while underway -- especially if it was important to get to the foredeck RIGHT NOW.
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Hey I have seen that boat before.......Nice looking little craft indeed.
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Good obs David - they are narrow, not too narrow, but may be uncomfortable walking when the boat heeled. Not a DSQ, but a thing to test and consider.

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