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Old 16-04-2012, 22:14   #1
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Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

I am doing my research into my next Sailboat. I sure would like to hear your thoughts on which boats might meet my criteria:

1. Budget: < $90k
2. I like the vintage boats with classic and older designs. So far, I like the Bristol Cutter 28' and Westsail 32
3. Cutter rig
4. Handsome & manly bowsprit
5. Setup for easy singlehanded sailing
6. Seaworthy and safe. Bluewater capable
7. 8" bulwarks and clean foredeck
8. Wide walkways to the foredeck
9. Sleep 2-4; but mostly 1 or 2!
10. Exterior woodworking visible to the eye--she has to be pretty!
11. Good resale value
12. A cruiser mainly, but would like to be able to cover 150+ miles in a day.

What thoughts on Boats I should be looking at? Thanks to all.
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Old 16-04-2012, 22:18   #2
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

If you can handle all the issues, consider the William Garden designs....the CT41, Formosa 41, and the like. Hulls are well built, design is traditional......but these boats were famous for bad wiring, leaky decks due to screw penetration - but the good news is......the good ones have survived. Take a look on Yachtworld and look up the LeakyTeakyYachtClub on Yahoo......
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Old 16-04-2012, 22:28   #3
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

you'll have to be ready to move quickly on a Bristol Channel Cutter in your price range. Here is an example: 1982 Bristol Channel Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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12. A cruiser mainly, but would like to be able to cover 150+ miles in a day.
I had a load of boats in my mind until I got to item #12.

The boats you described in the first 11 criteria will more reliably cover about 2/3rds of that distance daily.

Time to get realistic?
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

How about a Shannon 38? You will probably have to decide what you want, however. Fast and Big or Slower and affordable.
A Valiant 40 will do that, but to get a good one you will probably spend more than 90.(at least in $$ afterwards) I solo in mine and I think it's easy, as long as you have somebody meet you at the dock.
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you'll have to be ready to move quickly on a Bristol Channel Cutter in your price range. Here is an example: 1982 Bristol Channel Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
Wow, that is a pretty little boat.

Also try googling Cape George channel cutter.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

The 150+ may be not so easy to meet in the kind of boat you describe.

What you describe can be met in say a Hans Christian - a very good looking boat.

But if you want 150+ then you might be talking about a big and light boat. Maybe a J122 or something like this.

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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Rafiki 37 (just to be completely biased ) Has everything on your list, except the "manly" bowsprit.
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Rafiki 37 - indeed very beautiful.

Ingrids can be very pretty too.

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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Not sure what type sailing you plan on doing.
While cruising for 7 years, I found, it nice to have a boat, that will sail in light wind. Not sure, I would be happy with a Hans, or a Westsail for light airs.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Bowsprit do not belong in the 150+ club, unless they are carbon ones ;-)

I think it is either antique looks or performance. But the whole thing is a spectrum unless the owner is an extremist.

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Old 17-04-2012, 08:21   #12
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Add the Baba 35 / Tashiba 36 to your list.

We normally do better than 140 miles a day; have done 160 ocassionally. There's a pretty steep learning curve before you get the most out of any true cutter rig. Too many folks try to sail them like sloops, and don't use the staysail except in heavy weather. Took us years to get over that.

Also, see Sailboat Reviews of Offshore Cruising Yachts : Bluewaterboats.org for a pretty good collection of info on the kind of boat you mentioned.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

I had an Ingrid 38 and was able to achieve over 150 a day but required winds over 15 knots to do it. Boat speed is based on waterline to a point. If the vessel is heavy it adds to the drag. Big and slow isn't always safe as in your point 6). A Cal 40 might be safer in some conditions then say a Westsail 32. It depends where you want to go. My feeling is you are more of a romantic and enjoy the lines of a more traditional ship. If I'm correct, I would recommend a Cabo Rico 38 (without teak decks). They perform well for what they are and they look hella sexy!
PS...I would definitely stay away from a teak deck over ply Taiwan boat if resale is a concern.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

BCC, you just cannot go wrong. Beautiful, plenty of sail, smart layout, can go anywhere ( and has just about gone everywhere). I looked around to see what the Pardeys average daily run was not sure it was 150, that is a bit on the high side for a traditional, full keel,monohull, in your size range.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Pretty tough to make those type of miles in the type of boats your talking about !! in fact in any cruiseing boat of of less then 36 ft in lenght. Mostly in the Channel Cutter type boats your looking at 110 120 miles on a good day !! You might look at some of the Tayanas, might not fit ALL your requirements, but they will make the miles and are nice cruisers, very shippy, lots of good teak. We don't own one but have sailed a couple and they handle nicely, have a good motion at sea, and can make a few miles ! just a thought! if we could one large enough for us in our price range, we would buy one ourselfs !
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