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Old 10-05-2012, 20:24   #46
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

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Barnie- I guess the point I wanted to make is that hard cold numbers sometimes don't mesh with reality. The bottom of Beth looks a lot like a big j-24. She was surfing. We did 16 miles in an hour some change. The current was not going that direction off Flattery, but we may have caught a back wash....
What the heck it doesn't matter. I would never cruise like that.
I have read somewhere that it takes 2.5 sqrt lwl to go on the plane. You were going in the semi-displacement mode: neither fish nor bird ;-)

I think some displacement boats will do the trick if pushed down a big swell. I believe on a boat with much keel/skeg the drag from appendages is too big to let her surf for anything more than those brief moments.

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Old 10-05-2012, 21:05   #47
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Everyone has given great me great boat ideas. One of you suggested the Cabo Rico 38 and she sure looks pretty too; inside and out while also meeting my budget ( I saw a 1990 CR being sold for $90k). The HC 33 looks great as well. Right now, based on everyone's input; my 4 finalists to check out will be:
1. Cabo Rico 38
2. Westsail 33
3. HC 33
4. Bristol Cutter 28 ( I'm worried this boat is smaller than ideal though...

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Old 10-05-2012, 21:07   #48
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I looked at the Downeaster 38 for a while. For some reasons the lines appeal to me.
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Old 10-05-2012, 22:57   #49
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Look at this beautiful, maybe better as new W32.

Not a bargain but beautiful.....

1975 Colin Archer - Crealock Double Ender ~ Westsail Cutter 32 Sail
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Look at this beautiful, maybe better as new W32.

Not a bargain but beautiful.....

1975 Colin Archer - Crealock Double Ender ~ Westsail Cutter 32 Sail
Awesome... Unfortunately sometimes the 99th percentile boat is just as hard to sell as the 1st percentile boat. It must be crushing for him to have those severe price adjustments...
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

You want performance with a traditional look?

Nightrunner

1980 Bob Perry custom design for a racer that wanted a traditional look topsides.

PHRF 78

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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Go find a Bristol Channel Cutter and go below. Do the same with a Westsail 32. I believe the BCC will have nearly equal room below. The pinched stern of the double ender doesn't provide much room back there.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

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You want performance with a traditional look?

Nightrunner

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Someone that owns a Cal 40 making a recommendation other than the Cal 40, I guess I'd have to listen to him.
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Most cruising routes are downwind in what would be considered light conditions to a racer. Hard to achieve high speeds. Even on the Hawaii races.
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1. Cabo Rico 38
2. Westsail 33
3. HC 33
4. Bristol Cutter 28 ( I'm worried this boat is smaller than ideal though...

Thanks all!
Nice list!

IMHO keep the BCC 28 on the list - it is a great boat, I know one guy who sailed his across the pond maybe a dozen times - it is a great sailing boat, with great looks - a head turner. She may be smaller inside BUT this only counts if your plan is to live aboard with a family or friends. If you want the boat to be YOUR toy and joy, I would keep her on my list.

from aboard a 26 footer ... (LOA, not LWL!)
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Everyone has given great me great boat ideas. One of you suggested the Cabo Rico 38 and she sure looks pretty too; inside and out while also meeting my budget ( I saw a 1990 CR being sold for $90k). The HC 33 looks great as well. Right now, based on everyone's input; my 4 finalists to check out will be:
1. Cabo Rico 38
2. Westsail 33
3. HC 33
4. Bristol Cutter 28 ( I'm worried this boat is smaller than ideal though...

Thanks all!

Go look at some boats. I looked at and through and sailed on a lot of boats before I fell in love. Mostly boat shows and friends boats. With a classic / vintage boat, you *HAVE* to be in love. Otherwise you'll resent all the work. That W32 (Sparrow) is definitely worth a look. Somebody *loved* that boat. FWIW, I have yet to resent any work I've done on my Cabo Rico. That's a good thing because there remains a lot of work to bring her up to what I'd call offshore ready. But in the end, every time I look at her, I get that smile. Find the boat that gives you that smile, and you won't regret it.
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Check out this interior of a Bristol Channel Cutter I’m the client – Yacht photography, Sailing photography - Caribbean sailing photographer

They have also turned in consistant runs of 150-165 m/day
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Re: Vintage Sailboat- Which to choose?

Here is a great shot of the interior of a Bristol Channel Cutter I’m the client – Yacht photography, Sailing photography - Caribbean sailing photographer

Also, these boats do 150-165 miles/day on a reach.
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Check out this interior of a Bristol Channel Cutter I’m the client – Yacht photography, Sailing photography - Caribbean sailing photographer

They have also turned in consistant runs of 150-165 m/day

She is BEAUTIFUL. Is this Sparrow? ... or another BCC?
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She is BEAUTIFUL. Is this Sparrow? ... or another BCC?
The "Sparrow" I mentioned is a WestSail 32 (link to yachtworld listing earilier in the thread). That BCC sure is pretty, but from the pics, where's the head? The pics *are* very well done and I imagine they do the boat justice. I just can't see the head! I need a boat with a head
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