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Old 25-03-2011, 23:05   #31
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Re: very old wooden sailboat....photo!

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If you are saying the old wooden boat in the original post is the same boat as the ones in your pics I think you are quite wrong. The boat in the original post has a clipper bow and a schooner rig. Not very French.
But those are very handsome craft.

I think the closest we have come to identifying this boat is ther suggestion it is a Murray Petersone design.
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The Quebecois brought some quirky stuff with them when they came to Canada and many are just caught in a time loop. Although Peterson designs were first on my mind because I too saw the flare on the foredeck, (The stainless pulpit is obviously not original) however, many French Crabbers also have this variation. Peterson, famous for his schooners never designed anything like this, except as a day-sailer and even then not with the draft of this boat.The key is in how the hull was put together and keel structure of the transom.
That said on this side of the "pond" many were modified at the topside of the bow to cut through surface chop and are know as lobster smacks. They came either single masted or double depending on what they were fishing. The prawners and cod boats were usually double masted because they were in the deeper water farther out and needed more speed.
There are at least 4 variations I know of; the Newfy Dogger, the French Langoustier de Camaret, the Cornish Crabber and the Lobster Smack and there's variations on each of these so that it's sometimes hard to tell them apart.

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The stern of a smack or camaret
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A smack from Normandy
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A model but you get what I mean...
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Old 26-03-2011, 00:25   #32
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Re: very old wooden sailboat....photo!

It will be interesting to see the photos when Steeve posts them. The aft chainplates shown in the photo here indicate a schooner rig, with significant rake to the mast. you don't use that kind of chainplate for a running backstay. However, if the deck is indeed rotted and the boat is full of rainwater it is likely also full of rot. Fresh water is anathema to wooden boats, especially if Tad is correct and the boat was built of materials prone to deterioration. Rosborough sounds right for the place, but I still suspect it could be a Petersen. Fun thread. Keep us posted, Steeve.
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Old 26-03-2011, 01:12   #33
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Re: very old wooden sailboat....photo!

I found these drawings while surfing around the net. Similar boat. It suggests that the one in this thread is about 26 ft.

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Old 26-03-2011, 09:16   #34
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Thanks for the history lesson. They look like fascinating and handsome boats.
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Old 26-03-2011, 13:07   #35
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Thanks for the history lesson. They look like fascinating and handsome boats.
shes a variation of (The Susan) a 28ft schooner from peterson...she was produced in 3 flovors by 3 diferent contractors, each built there own version of The Susan...plans where also sold to privates who costomised there own version too.

you nailed it on your first post Robert

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Old 26-03-2011, 18:43   #36
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Got to be honest here. It wasn't me who pegged it as a Peterson. I got the schooner part right but the Murray Peterson call was masterful but not mine.
Damn it!

It's funny, but when we dig into an old boat like this we learn more about other boats.

I spent some of the morning reading CAPE COD CATBOATS by Stan Grayson. Then I spent the rest of the morning studying the rule for the new America's Cup 72' cats.

Did you know that some of the very early catboats had wave piercing bows?
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Old 26-03-2011, 19:21   #37
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Re: very old wooden sailboat....photo!

It looks like the same one that "Scuppers the Sailor Dog" has: http://www.barrylou.com/art/sailorDog.jpg

At least you'll have a hook for your hat, a hook for your coat and a hook for your rope!
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shes a variation of (The Susan) a 28ft schooner from peterson...she was produced in 3 flovors by 3 diferent contractors, each built there own version of The Susan...plans where also sold to privates who costomised there own version too.

you nailed it on your first post Robert

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Could you run a tape over this boat when you get there ? It looks less than 28 ft.
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Got to be honest here. It wasn't me who pegged it as a Peterson. I got the schooner part right but the Murray Peterson call was masterful but not mine.
Damn it!

It's funny, but when we dig into an old boat like this we learn more about other boats.

I spent some of the morning reading CAPE COD CATBOATS by Stan Grayson. Then I spent the rest of the morning studying the rule for the new America's Cup 72' cats.

Did you know that some of the very early catboats had wave piercing bows?
yes I was refering to the schooner and home built commentsBuilding Peterson's "Susan" #11

did a serch and see 100s catboats...non with that type of bow.

This thread has been an eye opener for me...fund this guy documenting the entire building of a susan from ribs to finish...wow what can I say...its awsome!!!

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JOBI:
I did not mean to imply that it was a catboat. It certainly is not.
I was just tidying up the office and ran accross ther catboat book so I thought I'd spend some time with it. The history and progression of the catboat design is very interesting.
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I did not mean to imply that it was a catboat. It certainly is not.
I was just tidying up the office and ran accross ther catboat book so I thought I'd spend some time with it. The history and progression of the catboat design is very interesting.
the idea of it being a catboat never crossed my mind...dont wory you have been very clear

the problem is my writing, it is terrible dont know why you guys put up with this frenchie

been trying to write english for many years and it keeps getting worst as I age

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ps. I agree catboats are most interesting
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the problem is my writing, it is terrible dont know why you guys put up with this frenchie

been trying to write english for many years and it keeps getting worst as I age
It's not your first language and still it's better then some This is a very enjoyable thread. Thanks everyone and thanks for starting it Jobi. Good stuff.
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Jobi:
There is absolutley nothing wrong with your writing. Maybe it's my reading.
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Mr. Perry,
Any thoughts on why cat ketch rigs aren't more common today than they are. They seem like a good simple rig.
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making arangements to see the boat...the owner says thers no water ingress and that the structure is solid...exelent!!!
I have no problems with redoing a deck

dont know why but this boat is very atractive to me...will post photos soon.

thanks for your interest and support
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