Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-02-2011, 19:08   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Malibu
Boat: Currently boatless
Posts: 36
Valiant 40 in Light Wind

I'm considering a new to me sailboat purchase. Primary sailing will likely be Southern California--coastal cruising with some seasonal Mexico, Channel Islands & Central Coast (for surfing), etc.

I've read quite a bit about the Valiant, but can't seem to get info about light-gentle-moderate winds (7 to 12 knots) usually closer to 7 or 8

1) How does your Valiant 40 sail in the light-moderate winds of coastal SoCal?
2) Any other notable Valiant 40 characteristics for the type of sailing I'll likely be doing?

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
__________________

__________________
JimmyP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 20:03   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
roverhi's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kona, Hawaii, Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1969 Pearson 35 #108 & 1976 Sabre 28
Posts: 6,006
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
If last summers light air single handed TransPac has any relevance, you need a Westsail 32 for light wind work. DreamChaser is a Valiant 40, Saraband the W32. DreamChaser was in its 2nd TransPac so not a novice sailor. http://sfbaysss.org/TransPac/transpa...010Results.pdf

Usually, light displacment will do better in light air but not always. If you are seriously looking for perfomance, you might check out the good old Cal 40. Great boats, relatively reasonable and a really strong build. Just be sure that the mast step has been rebuilt.

The Valiant 40 is a great boat but more an open ocean boat where the winds tend to blow and the seas tend to be long rollers. I'd be very happy with the boat for what you have in mind. Coastal cruising is just not your forte, however.
__________________

__________________
Peter O.
'Ae'a Pearson 35
roverhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 22:27   #3
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Seattle
Boat: Cal 40
Posts: 2,401
Images: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by roverhi View Post
If last summers light air single handed TransPac has any relevance, you need a Westsail 32 for light wind work. DreamChaser is a Valiant 40, Saraband the W32. DreamChaser was in its 2nd TransPac so not a novice sailor. http://sfbaysss.org/TransPac/transpa...010Results.pdf

Usually, light displacment will do better in light air but not always. If you are seriously looking for perfomance, you might check out the good old Cal 40. Great boats, relatively reasonable and a really strong build. Just be sure that the mast step has been rebuilt.

The Valiant 40 is a great boat but more an open ocean boat where the winds tend to blow and the seas tend to be long rollers. I'd be very happy with the boat for what you have in mind. Coastal cruising is just not your forte, however.
I agree my Cal 40 is a great light air boat. Lot of modern lightweight 30 footers with a faster rating though. I have more space and less motion though.

Last summers single handed transpac is not relevant for whether to select the Valiant 40. I followed it pretty closely since my friend in our club was in it and won with his Olson 30. Some boats went rhumb line as suggested by the weather gurus. Some boats went the traditional south route. A couple waffled in the middle for different reasons. Idefix and Saraband were two of the boats in the middle, there were close to 2 days that they got wind that neither the south or north boats got. Whether it was good planning or luck, being in wind when others weren't went a long ways to doing well this race.

John
__________________
cal40john is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 09:01   #4
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 506
The V 40 would not be my choice if I was after speed in light air. If you really want a good light air boat you might look at some older IOR boats. Some had nice interors and they can be quick in light air.
__________________
bob perry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 09:48   #5
CF Adviser
 
Bash's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: sausalito
Boat: 14 meter sloop
Posts: 7,260
The more distance you put between yourself and Malibu, the more you'll appreciate the Valiant. But it's certainly not the boat I'd choose to skittle back and forth from Marina del Rey and Catalina.

It's interesting that you might want to use the boat to explore surfing sites on the Central Coast. If you're talking about the area between Santa Barbara and Monterey, you're going to find it incredibly difficult to anchor a boat anywhere near a good break. The inviolable rule here is that good surf makes for a bad anchorage. That whole section of coast only offers very few acceptable spots to drop the hook: Port San Luis, Morro Bay, maybe San Simeon except when it's southerly. The bottom line here is that no one has yet designed a boat that will serve as a good surf platform on the central coast. Not a sailboat, anyway.
__________________
cruising is entirely about showing up--in boat shoes.
Bash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 15:00   #6
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
We do not have a Valiant but we have a similar if smaller boat.

I believe a Valiant will sail great in light winds provided you have and use the right kind of light wind sails and know how to build and keep your apparent.

b.
__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 15:16   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,016
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bash View Post
It's interesting that you might want to use the boat to explore surfing sites on the Central Coast. If you're talking about the area between Santa Barbara and Monterey, you're going to find it incredibly difficult to anchor a boat anywhere near a good break.
Except at Santa Cruz, Moss Landing, Carmel Beach, Hollister Ranch .... to name a few. Sounds like a great plan.
__________________
daddle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 15:45   #8
cruiser

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 158
light air?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob perry View Post
The V 40 would not be my choice if I was after speed in light air. If you really want a good light air boat you might look at some older IOR boats. Some had nice interors and they can be quick in light air.
--so.. whats your choice for light air model plus ..yes..points well over 45 degrees into the wind,,just curious sir,,just sayin",,max hull speed plus amenities such as large saloon, galley and 2 privale cabins under 40" ft. cheers
__________________
pullord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 15:47   #9
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Seattle
Boat: Cal 40
Posts: 2,401
Images: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob perry View Post
The V 40 would not be my choice if I was after speed in light air. If you really want a good light air boat you might look at some older IOR boats. Some had nice interors and they can be quick in light air.
Quote:
Originally Posted by barnakiel View Post
We do not have a Valiant but we have a similar if smaller boat.

I believe a Valiant will sail great in light winds provided you have and use the right kind of light wind sails and know how to build and keep your apparent.

b.
If the designer of the boat says not his first choice, I think I would listen.

John
__________________
cal40john is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 17:07   #10
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
Quote:
Originally Posted by cal40john View Post
If the designer of the boat says not his first choice, I think I would listen.

John
This is like to say the Pope is an expert on God ... an average church-goer, now, please, shut up!

If something is not the first choice, it does not make the thing the last choice either.

A carbo multihull is the first choice for light winds. But the OP did not ask about carbo multihulls.

I am not betting my money on a Valiant against a J-boat in light airs ;-) both boats being equally well equipped, prepared and sailed ...

Only pointing towards the general direction of the fact that many people underestimate 'classic' hull's sailability in light airs.

To Mr. Perry: I love your designs and may one day go for the 32'.

To the non-constructive criticist: I meant the RIB. Glad you did not read the part on sails and skills necessary for sailing (any boat, also an AC'er) in light winds.

Cheers,
barnie
__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 19:20   #11
cruiser

Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 506
Maybe the best way to compare boats is to check their PHRF numbers. Valiants usually rate between 125 and 130.
__________________
bob perry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2011, 19:29   #12
Senior Cruiser
 
Sailmonkey's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston
Boat: '76 Allied Seawind II, 32'
Posts: 5,781
Our heavy boat has done very well in light air, I've found that what it lacks in slippery underbody it makes up for in sheer momentum. IE it will continue to move through chop and lulls that will slow down a lighter boat. But it's not a V40. and it won't beat out a J-Boat dressed with a racing suit.
__________________
Sailmonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011, 15:57   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Malibu
Boat: Currently boatless
Posts: 36
Re: Valiant 40 in Light Wind

Thank you for the knowledge, input and feedback. It confirms what I had suspected...There are other sailboats that will not only be a better fit for my sailing needs but also connect with me aesthetically.
I'll post another thread for more input.
__________________

__________________
JimmyP is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Valiant 40 ? pablothesailor Monohull Sailboats 40 18-01-2011 17:25
What Is 'Light Wind Performance' Really? Stillraining General Sailing Forum 50 09-12-2009 11:26
LED light turned Nav light BLUE!!! MarkJ Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 19 28-01-2009 10:19
AIR How light is to light to sail in? Perithead Off Topic Forum 26 04-12-2007 18:52
valiant 50 irwinsailor Monohull Sailboats 2 11-02-2005 06:07



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 20:12.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.