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Old 13-04-2018, 18:35   #226
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Nice, apparently that helps pointing to wind when needed?

Reference http://www.eoa.org.uk/forms/Elizabet...rsHandbook.pdf

I bet both a bit cramped, but that issue is a lower priority for me.

Other brits to check out http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread...ntest-29/page3
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Tinkerbelle 13 1/2 foot centerboarder crossed the Atlantic. Does that make it a "bluewater" boat?
Then the complete family of 4 circled the globe on a Tartan 27.
So did a 24 foot Wharram Catamaran.

See " The Robert Manry Project ".

I have owned and sailed 44 years on sailboats that varied from ultralite to " my Bluewater very heavy W 32". This last one mentioned would be the
next to last one I would choose to cross an ocean.

Sorry, I guess I am tired of hearing this one is OK because..."Bluewater" in the promo.
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7.17 beam, a record for narrow I think.

sample bargain FREE, or close to free! - Page 18 - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
If you can live with the headroom.. I believe the plastic ones went to 5ft.. 6inches more than the original timber design.
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Good to know, thanks. It seems very few boats under 8'6" beam offer much headroom.

I wish they listed that stat in sailboatdata.
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Tinkerbelle 13 1/2 foot centerboarder crossed the Atlantic. Does that make it a "bluewater" boat?
Then the complete family of 4 circled the globe on a Tartan 27.
So did a 24 foot Wharram Catamaran.

See " The Robert Manry Project ".

I have owned and sailed 44 years on sailboats that varied from ultralite to " my Bluewater very heavy W 32". This last one mentioned would be the
next to last one I would choose to cross an ocean.

Sorry, I guess I am tired of hearing this one is OK because..."Bluewater" in the promo.
Sorry, but I'm having trouble extracting useful info from your post. The list of boats that **don't** fit my criteria is quite long I agree.

Yes Tartan 27 does seem to mostly fit the bill, if a perfect example appeared at the right price I may overlook the fact that it is 1/2" too wide

If the topic as a whole is not of interest to you, please feel free to just ignore the thread.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:17   #231
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PSC 24 (dana 24), PSC25, Montgomery 23, Montgomery 17 (but that will suck, it'll be like being in a tent but sails really well), Falmouth Cutter 22, Flicka 20

FC22, Flicka 20, PSC24, PSC25 are probably not true trailerable boats. They are heavy displacement. I didn't even like launching and retrieving my old M17.

I believe the Flicka 20 and the Falmouth Cutter 22 probably has the best pedigree out of them all.
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Yeah hard to find much headroom on boats this size and beam. I have to say I am very pleased to have found the Columbia 29 when I did. I actually saw another on for free in decent shape in the bay area a few weeks ago.

Had a friend of mine interested in it but in the end a boat was just to much for him right now since he didn't want to spring for a trailer. By the way the guy who sold me my Columbia 29 still has his trailer for sale I believe I think 1,200 to 1,500 cash in hand might take it and its pretty nice.

Anyway, I will keep an eye open. Saw a neglected Pearson Vanguard for 3k but sadly its a bit too beamy for your list. Something will pop up though.
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PSC 24 (dana 24), PSC25, Montgomery 23, Montgomery 17 (but that will suck, it'll be like being in a tent but sails really well), Falmouth Cutter 22, Flicka 20

FC22, Flicka 20, PSC24, PSC25 are probably not true trailerable boats. They are heavy displacement. I didn't even like launching and retrieving my old M17.

I believe the Flicka 20 and the Falmouth Cutter 22 probably has the best pedigree out of them all.
Thanks, some of those are new to me.

And yes, not looking for a trailer-sailor as such, may only need to retrieve/launch a few times over the years, and blue water safety/stability/seakindliness does apparently mandate a heavy boat. "Transportable without permits" is a more accurate prerequisite.

My first choice so far is Nor'sea 27, and they're nearly 5 ton loaded, and probably 3 hours to step / re-rig each time. Not to mention expensive. . .

Sailing abilities like pointing and speed are, not irrelevant, but low priority, I have minimal expectations there.

The weak point of many (all?) the boats you mention is liveaboard space for fulltime cruising, not just people but supplies, a pretty important criterion for me.

And that headroom issue of course.

If anyone can compare this grouping wrt that issue I'd appreciate it.
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Yeah hard to find much headroom on boats this size and beam. I have to say I am very pleased to have found the Columbia 29 when I did. I actually saw another on for free in decent shape in the bay area a few weeks ago.

Had a friend of mine interested in it but in the end a boat was just to much for him right now since he didn't want to spring for a trailer. By the way the guy who sold me my Columbia 29 still has his trailer for sale I believe I think 1,200 to 1,500 cash in hand might take it and its pretty nice.

Anyway, I will keep an eye open. Saw a neglected Pearson Vanguard for 3k but sadly its a bit too beamy for your list. Something will pop up though.
Thanks for that, yes I will need a good trailer ready to roll, before I actually am ready to jump at that sweet bargain I am sure will then appear, a Columbia would be great.

The truck I figure I can rent. Where's the trailer located?

But don't go to much trouble hunting at this point I'm still very much in the research phase, refining the list, getting to know the market, learning about the various systems.

And saving my pennies 8-)
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When you are ready a defender will magically appear.
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When you are ready a defender will magically appear.
Newhaul,

When a Defender 29 appears I may loose control and buy another trailer and go get another boat! Heck even an Islander 30 would do it. In the meantime the wife and I are working away on our Columbia 29 and loving her more everyday.
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Thanks for that, yes I will need a good trailer ready to roll, before I actually am ready to jump at that sweet bargain I am sure will then appear, a Columbia would be great.

The truck I figure I can rent. Where's the trailer located?

But don't go to much trouble hunting at this point I'm still very much in the research phase, refining the list, getting to know the market, learning about the various systems.

And saving my pennies 8-)
The trailer is about brand new, never even plated. Its in Chula Vista, CA at the guys storage yard. I bought my boat from him and the trailer is now sitting unused lol.
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Newhaul,

When a Defender 29 appears I may loose control and buy another trailer and go get another boat! Heck even an Islander 30 would do it. In the meantime the wife and I are working away on our Columbia 29 and loving her more everyday.
where's your refit thread? No pictures and it didn't happen..
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When you are ready a defender will magically appear.
Preach it brother! I am at this point very confident of miracles in this arena.

While I've got you:

Say a Nor'sea appeared at the same price,

both very sound structurally but

in similar "2" condition, relative to "5" being Admiral-ready spiffy and turnkey ready for passage making.

Any advantages to the Defender over the Nor'sea once the acquisition price factor is out of the picture?

Of course anyone can answer!
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The trailer is about brand new, never even plated. Its in Chula Vista, CA at the guys storage yard. I bought my boat from him and the trailer is now sitting unused lol.
Wrong coast 8-)

Think it could be adapted to haul a Nor'sea? I figure that's probably the heaviest on the narrow-beam list.

Don't suppose it's aluminum?
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