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Old 12-01-2014, 14:05   #46
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remind us of the size of that boat again , Nick
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remind us of the size of that boat again , Nick
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quite a big "+" really , we could then proceed to the $+ then…..

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SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS KVETCH or NOT.
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Nick, if You wanted to make us jealous, You have a big success.
At least with me
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of course the owner of that boat in the first picture is now in a motor boat !!!

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We are 58 feet. I sailed a 30 foot Acadia Yawl about 30 years ago. The mizzen was a tiny rag but in a transport from Tawas Michigan to Bay City in 55 knots following it was enough to hit 8.5 with a storm jib out front. I've always liked the split rig for cruising. The major disadvantage we see is that there is nowhere convenient to mount the solar panels. They will wind up above the bimini on custom arches.

Pretty nice boat Jedi. Great pictures. Those are hard to get.
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We started this thread Saturday morning to learn something.
Wow! Great info!
13 Ketch owners piped up confirming what we had had been thinking. A Ketch is a great choice for us for passage and live aboard exploring. Repeatedly, we hear of good behavior in high wind conditions - which will happen when you are ‘out’. All of this in a larger boat with smaller, more manageable sails and options (my inner engineer says options are good!).

Next problem:
The thread mentions a Ketch is a good choice if you don’t want to charter. Duh! For two years we have been trying to charter a Ketch for a couple weeks to get the feel (or the FEVER). Cannot find one. Anyone give us a hand? Private charter? For sure, Moorings isn’t going there! I have GREAT vacation time available - VERY flexible. We could follow in an open timeslot or even help move a boat to get some time on a Ketch. Any of you Ketch owners have a connection for us?

Link to another Ketch Discussion in Forum: Ketch or Cutter Rig
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Can't help you there but. - Please own & read Cornell's World Cruising Routs. I believe I read that in all his life time of sailing and circumnavigations that he never had to endure a severe storm - don't be where yo should not. He also has a wold atlas of probable winds by the location and time of year. I recommend both to be on your boat. Also get and read Pardey's Storm Tactics. These are probably the Holey Grail for the cruiser.

I can say that you should charter by all means but, it need not be on a ketch. If you want to bare bones I suggest ABACO/HOPETOWN in the winter or the North Channel (Lake Huron @ Little Current) in the July-August.
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Thanks Nicholson!
Our copy of Pardy is thumbworn and I get exactly what you're taking about with Cornell Cruising Routes. But .. being in the right place at the right time is no garauntee for not runnning through storms. We have chartered the Bahamas, the BVI's, Superior and the Windwards. We have two weeks set out of St Martin in April. But, none on a Ketch.

Does anyone know of a Ketch we can crew or captain without buying it outright?
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We actively sought a ketch for the "retirement boat". For us these were the pluses

1. Lower mast height allow us to manage bridges on the Tenn-Tom or the ICW.
2. Smaller individual sails will require less manpower to handle as we age In place.
3. Smaller sails will be less expensive to replace on a retiree's budget.
4. If you find yourself 2 days out of port then running for cover may not be an option. You are going to have to handle whatever Mother Nature dishes out. In that case jib and jigger is a phenomenally easy ride.
5. The mizzen's standing rigging clutters the cockpit BUT it creates a safety cage to keep you in the cockpit AND is handy for the radar and wind charger.
6. The lower mast height seems to lower the center of gravity making us less tippy.


NOW ... I'll be the first to say that downwind we will often drop the mizzen, since it interferes significantly with the main .... OR we'll drop them both and raise the mizzen staysail and spinnaker. Try that on a sloop.

AND .... I will tell the truth and say our Pearson 365 does not point well. Also it is slow upwind.

But I don't care ... We look mar-vel-ous. And we carry 120 gallons of fresh water, And have a stand up enclosed shower, AND an icebox big enough to sleep in AND I know that she can take us anywhere we want to go. Comfortably.

If you are really concerned about going to windward, nothing beats a 747.
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Hello, my name is David, and I own a ketch.

It is much better than being as alcoholic.

I have been reading your thread, and am impressed with your analytical approach to the choice of sailboat rig configuration.

I purchased my ketch five years ago, and have been cruising the east coast of the US from Maine to the Bahamas.

I agree with some of the other posters that the ketch/yawl rig starts to make the most sense when the L.O.D exceeds forty some feet.

I love the ketch I have, but do not try to tell the single mast boat owners that the split rig is better. All I say is that I like it, and I have owned two single mast rigs previously.

My ketch is a 1981, Spencer 1330, 44' with large fin keel, and skeg hung rudder. Design wt. of 25,500# and 10,000# lead in the lower part of a 7' draft keel. The cockpit is in the center of the boat, and the fore deck is flat.

I shopped hard for two years before choosing this boat. I do not say that it is the best for every one, but it is what I like.

I would be happy to reply to any ketchy questions that you may have. And I do occasionally take on crew for offshore legs.

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If you are really concerned about going to windward, nothing beats a 747.
Say, I bet that the 747 will beat your ketch reaching, running or sailing off a waterfall too.

I've noticed that lots of cruisers say things like your quote, but in reality, many desirable cruising destinations seem to be upwind of where folks start out. So, if you want to go there, you either gotta sail upwind or motor upwind.

Some of those destinations are a long way away, too, and perhaps beyond your tankage range. When you face this sort of situation, a boat that does well to windward will seem more important than some internet wisdom about voyaging in a 747.

Every cruiser has to make decisions when choosing his boat. If a ketch lights your candle, that's fine with me. And some of them (ie Nick's Deerfoot) go like hell, but few can afford and/or find such an unusual vessel.

Hope that you all find the boat of your dreams, and that the dreams are a good fit to reality.

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