Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED
Not sure entirely what you're asking, & one can only tell so much from pics anyway.
She's shiny, & shiny sells/grabs hearts. So one needs to look beyond such, & also hire others to do so, to see what kind of shape she's really in.
There are 101 small details, which are in need of attention ...
Thanks for the really awesome comments about the issues you spotted Uncivilised. I spent quite a while reviewing your thoughts/comments and looking carefully at the photos. Learnt much from doing so. Have seen many of the potential issues you've highlighted but your warnings put much in context. So thanks sincerely for the time you spent doing so and writing up such a comprehensive post.
He's right too about the engine control panel
, cockpits can easily become a bathtub, hence they always have drains. Dumb place to put the controls. Should be moved higher if you want to go offshore
I thought too that the original post, having included a decent number of really clear photos was excellent. Often times people ask such questions about a boat they're looking to buy but with either none or poor quality photos. I've noticed also that brokers photos, much of the time, are based more on the inside of the boat rather than the outside, so impossible to see if the vessel in question is ship shape.
In respect to the specific Westsail that the OP is looking at. It strikes me that the Yanmar
is way too big for the boat. Sure there's power to burn, which is a good thing, but it may be really difficult to work on? Likely the motor
, for one reason or another was available and the owner got a good deal. A rebuilt motor
is not ‘as new’, it’s rebuilt, and there is a wide range of views on what rebuilt means. I would want to know what was replaced in the motor, and what machine work was undertaken. Also is there a warrantee from Bay Marine
that will carry over to a new owner and how long does it have to run. Likely any warrantee remaining will be ‘return to base’; is that convenient? I’d go and see Bay Marine
and ask how long they think the motor will last. What about the gearbox
, is it off the original motor or did it come with the rebuilt motor?
I wonder too if the other systems for the engine were also replaced/upgraded or are they still 40 years old, ie. morse controls, exhaust
system, raw water
etc? I repowered my yacht with a second hand 14 hp motor not too long ago and it cost a similar amount. It was all those other things that sucked up the money
. For example, in adding all that extra power, what was done about the prop and shaft?
The motor replacement was done only six months ago and that makes me suspicious. Unless the old motor was totally stuffed, spending 11K on a replacement wouldn’t have added much to the value of the boat (IMO). Most people that make the decision to replace a motor do so because they’ve recognised they want to keep the boat for several more years and will get their money
back through the use of the boat.
10 year old rigging implies to me that it’s time for replacement again. Whether it can be insured or not will be an issue presumably, but if you wish to do more than Sunday sailing you’ll want your family
to be safe.
A bottom job adds nothing to the value; it’s just annual maintenance
. Same with newish dodger
cover; worth nothing as they’re just consumables.
, worth what? Maybe $100. Just as relevant, when the bottom was done, were all the anodes replaced, was the prop coated with Propspeed or similar?
reported in good condition, well it’s a sail boat so you’d expect that.
12v batteries not isolated and comes with an old battery charger
(so how/what was the galvanic isolator
heater has been removed, compressor
not hooked up, old electronics
, no fridge … well why list these as features? Things that don’t work or don’t exist provide no benefits. My boat isn’t a super yacht and so doesn’t have a helicopter, spa, jet skis or swimming pool, and so I probably wouldn't list them in the NOT included feature list if I wanted to sell her.
Certainly not wanting to be harsh, but listing things that aren't included I find quite amusing. I'm going to start doing that in my job.
As a positive she looks like a lovely sail boat, and like all boats has heaps of diy things to work on. Maybe these can be used to advantage in the sale price