Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-09-2014, 17:13   #46
Registered User
 
S/V Illusion's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lakewood Ranch, FLORIDA
Boat: Alden 50, Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 1,693
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dockhead View Post
You're asking that on a sailing forum?
Did someone change the forum name?
__________________

__________________
S/V Illusion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 17:48   #47
Registered User
 
avb3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Florida/Alberta
Boat: Lippincott 30
Posts: 9,913
Images: 1
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by weavis View Post
But then kenomac is only 80lb and 4'9 tall.............
LOL... I'm 6'4" and 240. That's why I asked about the purchase, which a snatch block accomplishes. Makes sense and I'll look into that when I get back to the boat.
__________________

__________________
If your attitude resembles the south end of a bull heading north, it's time to turn around.
avb3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 18:33   #48
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16’ N 82° 25.82’ W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 12,374
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheechako View Post
The perfect 65 footer would be 42 feet long....
I could agree with that.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 20:08   #49
Resin Head
 
minaret's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Seattle WA
Boat: Nauticat
Posts: 7,199
Images: 52
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by estarzinger View Post
^^

Realize that the ultimate logical conclusion of dashew's thinking is an 80' power boat.

When steve and I were testing drogues on his stern deck (on the power boat), Beth and Linda were up on the fly bridge, and Linda leaned over to beth and quietly said "this is the only one of his boats that I have not been scared by"..

Ran into this the other day (not literally!).
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	185
Size:	424.2 KB
ID:	88007  
__________________
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,

Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
minaret is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 20:11   #50
Resin Head
 
minaret's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Seattle WA
Boat: Nauticat
Posts: 7,199
Images: 52
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

I'll post a couple more. Posting from the phone, only one at a time...
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	170
Size:	416.5 KB
ID:	88008  
__________________
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,

Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
minaret is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 20:17   #51
Resin Head
 
minaret's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Seattle WA
Boat: Nauticat
Posts: 7,199
Images: 52
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

One more.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	172
Size:	419.4 KB
ID:	88009  
__________________
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,

Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
minaret is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 20:23   #52
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,511
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Dockhead,

I re-read your requirements for the perfect boat. You keep describing a new Humphreys designed Oyster 625. Check it out out... It has everything.
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 20:36   #53
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,511
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
LOL... I'm 6'4" and 240. That's why I asked about the purchase, which a snatch block accomplishes. Makes sense and I'll look into that when I get back to the boat.
Here's a picture. The spinnaker halyards used to haul me up are then run back to the cockpit via the jib sheet blocks.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20140804_105717_resized.jpg
Views:	163
Size:	380.3 KB
ID:	88010  
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 20:47   #54
Registered User
 
bona2's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Seoul, Korea
Boat: Hallberg Rassy 43
Posts: 42
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Dockhead,

Have you looked at Hallberg-Rassy 64 ? It is very much like what you looking for.
Hallberg-Rassy - Yachts - Center Cockpit Boats
__________________
bona2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2014, 22:29   #55
Registered User
 
Panope's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Washington State
Boat: Colvin, Saugeen Witch (Aluminum), 34'
Posts: 1,593
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

This thread has taught me that it takes a million dollar cruiser to make 5 knots VMG to windward - under sail. Previously, I kinda thought that any old 40 foot, fin keeled, Marconi sloop could muster meaningful progress to windward in a "less than perfect" conditions.

I will no longer feel inadequate when my engine is needed to make progress against wind and chop. As a matter of fact, I might even feel a bit smug as Panope (with its new fire breathing 40 hp Yanmar) makes about 5 knots against 30 knot winds.

I certainly mean no offense to anyone who seeks (and can afford) this type of sailing performance.

Steve
Panope is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2014, 01:08   #56
Moderator
 
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cowes (Winter), Baltic (Summer) (the boat!); somewhere in the air (me!)
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 19,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panope View Post
This thread has taught me that it takes a million dollar cruiser to make 5 knots VMG to windward - under sail. Previously, I kinda thought that any old 40 foot, fin keeled, Marconi sloop could muster meaningful progress to windward in a "less than perfect" conditions.

I will no longer feel inadequate when my engine is needed to make progress against wind and chop. As a matter of fact, I might even feel a bit smug as Panope (with its new fire breathing 40 hp Yanmar) makes about 5 knots against 30 knot winds.

I certainly mean no offense to anyone who seeks (and can afford) this type of sailing performance.

Steve
If you can motor 5 knots dead upwind against 30 knots (a F7) in the typical F7 sea state, my hat's off to your boat. I've never seen a sailboat which could do this. My boat, with 100 horsepower, cannot.

To punch through F7 seas, you need a lot of power, which you can generally only get from sails, other than perhaps some very powerful motor sailers.

In trying to get nearly 1500 miles upwind last month, I tried everything in the book. Best VMG to windward occurred, in F6-F7, by motorsailing with tightly sheeted main, traveler up to weather, about 17 to 20 degrees off the apparent wind. Like that I could make about 6 knots of boat speed so something less than 5 knots VMG. Burned a lot of fuel AND still had to tack Got me across, but it was not fun.
__________________
"Parce que je suis heureux en mer, et peut-être pour sauver mon ame. . . "
Dockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2014, 02:25   #57
Moderator
 
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cowes (Winter), Baltic (Summer) (the boat!); somewhere in the air (me!)
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 19,743
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post
Dockhead,

I re-read your requirements for the perfect boat. You keep describing a new Humphreys designed Oyster 625. Check it out out... It has everything.
The new Humphreys Oyster 625 is just about the antithesis of my ideal cruising boat -- a big, fat, immensely heavy floating condo with uselessly cavernous living spaces and inadequate technical spaces. That boat has a beam of 18', and with its fat a** I bet the transom is wider than the beam of my present boat! It displaces nearly 40 tons! It doesn't solve any of the main issues in my list -- dinghy on the same crappy davits I have on my present boat, no sheltered watchkeeping station, no sail locker, no windshield, etc., etc. It has less deck storage than my present boat! With respect, that seems to me to be 90% lifestyle and maybe 10% sailing. Here is the master cabin:

Click image for larger version

Name:	Sailing Yacht Oyster 625 - Double <a title=Cabin - Image courtesy of Oyster Marine.jpeg Views: 170 Size: 50.6 KB ID: 88012" style="margin: 2px" />

Imagine being tossed around in that in a seaway! Bah! That's made for the dockside at Monaco, not for crossing the North Sea.


I much prefer the Holman & Pye Oyster 62 which, one has to admit, is one of the most beautiful sailboats ever put in the water. I also much prefer Humphreys' earlier designs, like your very pretty boat (the Oyster 53), drawn when he was still imitating H&P and before he started imitating Hanses.

What I'm looking for is very different -- much narrower (16' max), much lighter (25, maximum 30 tons), much stronger, much much faster, with a manageable sail plan, with modest interior spaces but very generous technical and storage spaces, and with a foredeck like that of a fishing boat's. Not a floating condo (catamarans are much better at that, if that's what I wanted), not a Gucci-esque lifestyle statement/status symbol, but a lean, mean, sailing machine. Something like Steve Dashew meets Bill Dixon.

It doesn't exist, I'm afraid. Good thing I love my present boat, despite her various flaws, because I'm likely with her for life.
__________________
Dockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2014, 02:33   #58
Moderator
 
weavis's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: SEVILLE - MALLORCA
Posts: 10,135
Send a message via Skype™ to weavis
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dockhead View Post
The new Humphreys Oyster 625 is just about the antithesis of my ideal cruising boat --

Bah!
I think Bah! summed up your thoughts....... the rest of the words were wasted ..
__________________
- Never test how deep the water is with both feet -
10% of conflicts are due to different opinions. 90% by the tone of voice.
Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.
weavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2014, 02:48   #59
Moderator
 
noelex 77's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Living on dirt waiting for our new yacht to be built.
Boat: Half built Bestevaer.
Posts: 10,619
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dockhead View Post

It doesn't exist, I'm afraid.
The custom yachtbuilders will construct whatever you want, and I mean whatever. Like you, I have firm views what makes a good boat and it is not close to the production boat norm. They don't bat an eyelid. If it can physically be done, it will be done.

A lot of your requirments are not expensive and would actually make the boat cheaper.

If you start with known hull design like the Van de Stadt Stadship the cost is likely to less than an equivalent Oyster.
__________________
noelex 77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2014, 02:54   #60
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,511
Re: The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

Dockhead,

The folks in the Oysters, Discoverys, Swans, Amels and HRs are the ones out cruising and doing the liveaboard thing, not the ones sitting dockside in condos. Everywhere we go, these are the people out in the anchorages living self contained mostly as a retired or semi retired cruising couple... primarily British in origin for the Oyster owners. It may seem contrary to what you'd imagine, but it's true. We also see an abundance of catamarans, the new over 50ft Lagoons look like floating condos, but I think most of them are charter boats.

When you get to the size boat you describe, owners also want creature comforts, otherwise, if you buy a boat that's more utilitarian, you for sure will end up some day in possession of a "white elephant," that's nearly impossible to sell. The Oyster 62 I was looking at was sort of a "white elephant" because it was custom built without crews quarters. Something that appealed to me, but seems to turn off many prospective buyers. Quite a few cruisers in the 60-65ft size, set out anticipating the need for crew, but then later on discover the pitfalls of dealing with crew, and decide to go without them.
__________________

__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cruising

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"What makes the perfect boat woman...perfect" Celestialsailor Our Community 221 10-10-2017 11:38
Perfect Boat or Perfect Place? Hanna&Chris General Sailing Forum 22 08-10-2009 20:27
The Perfect Boat for Cruising? Ex-Calif Monohull Sailboats 6 01-06-2007 11:22



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:17.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.