The Perfect 60' to 65' Cruising Boat

[weavis]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Indeed, and I would have no incentive whatsoever to change boats if I just end up again with bloody davits!

I like davits.

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by weavis

I like davits.

I love davits. They are fantastic. On my previous boat the Yard persuaded me to install a pair. They were protruding from sugar scoop, to make a water access easier. And they were a great fun. Med mooring with them made all skippers around close to heart attack...
I didn't want somebody to hurt my lovely davits, so one afternoon I drilled out all the bolts fixing them, took them from the stern and stored caringly.
I must admit I'm baaaad guy... I forgot them completely. They are probably laying lonely somewhere in the depth of the lazarette...

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

. Med mooring with them made all skippers around close to heart attack...
..

You should have seen the german couple on their beautiful blue racer when I backed Dockheads boat towards them to raft up............................

I suspect they will be in life-long therapy

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by carstenb

You should have seen the german couple on their beautiful blue racer when I backed Dockheads boat towards them to raft up............................

I suspect they will be in life-long therapy

Can I ask....
Were they frightened by Dockhead's davits, or scared by Your boat handling skills?

[weavis]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

Can I ask....
Were they frightened by Dockhead's davits, or scared by Your boat handling skills?

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

Can I ask....
Were they frightened by Dockhead's davits, or scared by Your boat handling skills?

I suspect they thought "Anybody sailing a big 54 footer has got to be a good sailor and can easily dock that thing". Little did they know that I had never docked that boat before and had no idea of reaction time etc. Should I mention that this was in gale force winds?

Amazingly, I rafted up with nary a scratch to either their boat or Dockheads (I did have to go below and change my shorts afterwards)

[weavis]

Originally Posted by carstenb

I suspect they thought "Anybody sailing a big 54 footer has got to be a good sailor and can easily dock that thing".

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I always think.......... single handing a 50+? gotta watch this...........

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by carstenb

I suspect they thought "Anybody sailing a big 54 footer has got to be a good sailor and can easily dock that thing". Little did they know that I had never docked that boat before and had no idea of reaction time etc. Should I mention that this was in gale force winds?

Amazingly, I rafted up with nary a scratch to either their boat or Dockheads (I did have to go below and change my shorts afterwards)

Originally Posted by carstenb

I suspect they will be in life-long therapy

Hmmmmmmmmmmm............
Something does not add up here...
If everything went so smooth, why the need for life-long therapy..?...
I do not assume You invited them for shorts chcnging ceremony...

Tell us the truth, the whole truth and only the truth!

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

Hmmmmmmmmmmm............
Something does not add up here...
If everything went so smooth, why the need for life-long therapy..?...
I do not assume You invited them for shorts chcnging ceremony...

Tell us the truth, the whole truth and only the truth!

They told me later that the sight of Dockheads Two (very large) Divats coming at them (I backed in towards them) with a RIB hanging in the middle did, how shall I express this - unnerve them

The woman (who was the skipper) told me she thought "oh **** - he's gonna ram us"

Why did I have to change my shorts? I have no idea how I managed to land that boat without hitting anything

thye weren't invited to shorts chnaging ceremony

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by carstenb

. . .
Why did I have to change my shorts? I have no idea how I managed to land that boat without hitting anything . . .

Lucky for both of us, my boat is very well behaved and easy to handle in port maneuvers. She is much easier to handle than my previous, 37' boat. The only problem is you can't see the rail from the cockpit (5 meters beam), so you need to be a good guesser about where the edges of the boat are In any case, Carsten passed the test -- when I got back, there were no more scratches than were already there when I left

[Wckoek]

Just browse to this old topic, I would like to add that with all the stated figure and criterias, I believe it would be more worthwhile to have all the same thing in the 70 feet region instead of 60-65 feet, and yet build cost wouldn't be that much more, you get better D/L ratio, and newer designs like CNB 72 proved that boats at this size doesn't necessarily has to be sailed with a crew.
Availability of berths above 60 feet wouldn't be that much different than above 70 feet region.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Wckoek

Just browse to this old topic, I would like to add that with all the stated figure and criterias, I believe it would be more worthwhile to have all the same thing in the 70 feet region instead of 60-65 feet, and yet build cost wouldn't be that much more, you get better D/L ratio, and newer designs like CNB 72 proved that boats at this size doesn't necessarily has to be sailed with a crew.
Availability of berths above 60 feet wouldn't be that much different than above 70 feet region.

Over 20 meters you get dramatically more complex safety rules, at least for a UK flagged boat.

60 to 65 feet I think will be just about right for me.

I don't like CNB boats at all, by the way. Just about the direct opposite of what I want. I spent a day on board one in Tallinn harbor last year helping the owner with some electrical problems, crawling around in the engine room etc. -- I don't recall having ever seen a worse built boat, everything cheap and badly designed and already falling apart although the boat was almost new. Can't imagine being in a remote place on such a boat. Cheap is maybe ok on smaller and simpler boats, but on a 72 foot semi-superyacht? Shudder!

[poiu]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Over 20 meters you get dramatically more complex safety rules, at least for a UK flagged boat.

The break length under the MCA is 24m load line length, so maybe 85ft. Above that and you have heavy duty manning requirements and a bunch of bureaucracy to make you cry. If it is under 24m and a pleasure vessel also then you get even more breaks from the rules. (class XII exemptions).

[Wckoek]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Over 20 meters you get dramatically more complex safety rules, at least for a UK flagged boat.

60 to 65 feet I think will be just about right for me.

I don't like CNB boats at all, by the way. Just about the direct opposite of what I want. I spent a day on board one in Tallinn harbor last year helping the owner with some electrical problems, crawling around in the engine room etc. -- I don't recall having ever seen a worse built boat, everything cheap and badly designed and already falling apart although the boat was almost new. Can't imagine being in a remote place on such a boat. Cheap is maybe ok on smaller and simpler boats, but on a 72 foot semi-superyacht? Shudder!

My point is it cost as much to build a 60-65 feet yacht as one in the 70's feet, but you gain so much more by having a longer boat and wouldn't be that much more difficult to handle.
I'm not sure about regulations of other countries, but if that is the case, it make sense for smaller sizes.

Was the CNB you mentioned one of the newer ones under been team or is it those older aluminum build models?

[Wckoek]

Originally Posted by poiu

The break length under the MCA is 24m load line length, so maybe 85ft. Above that and you have heavy duty manning requirements and a bunch of bureaucracy to make you cry. If it is under 24m and a pleasure vessel also then you get even more breaks from the rules. (class XII exemptions).

I am not so sure about the definition of load line length, 95% of 24m, makes it about 75.5 feet on the waterline?