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Old 27-05-2010, 18:04   #1
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Ok, some questions about my TO BUY list:

Parameters:

24-38" 30-36 ideal
below $100k below $65K ideal
NO wooden decks.
Ketch, Sloop or Cutter. No Yawls. No gaffs. No centerboards.
Skegs and Wineglass attached rudders OK. Blade rudders not.
Full keel vs Fin - Full keel #1

Sailing alone bluewater, but occasional guests in cruising grounds. Liveaboard.

Cruising grounds: PNW, GLakes, NE, Chesapeake, Northern Europe, Bahamas, VI

1) What Motorsailers to consider outside of these? Anything I missed?:

Fales 32 – Navigator PH **
LM 30
Pearson 365 – PH
Pearson 36 – PH
Banjer 37
Gulf 32 – PH
Saturna 33 – PH
Fisher 30, Northeaster

(**Ok its a weird boat I agree but the stats are good - not sure I would take it off shore)

2) Which one of these sailer types would you like for xmas if you would have to live on it forever?

Alajeula 33
Alberg 35
Cabo Rico 36
Cabot 36
Cape Dory 28, 30, 30 MKII, 31, 33, 36
Corbin 39 – PH
Endurance 35 – PH
Hans Christian 33
Ingrid 38
Morgan 382, 383, 384
Morris Leigh
Pacific Seacraft Dana, Mariah, Orion MKII, 31, 34
Pearson 35, 36, 365
Rafiki 35
Rival 34, 36
Sabre 34
Scanmar 35
Seawind 30, 30 MK II
Shannon 28
Southern Cross 35
Valiant 32
Vancouver 27, 36
Vineyard Vixen 34

3) Which of the following pick of classic stocks would make the better blue water solo? You can pick a number out of the lot for consideration, but also pick one and give your reasons.

Alberg 35
Cape Dory 30, 30 MKII, 31, 33, 36
Morgan 382, 383, 384
Pearson 35, 36, 365

4) Extra credit:

Compare and contrast some of the boats in #3
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Old 27-05-2010, 19:19   #2
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My preference would be for the Carl Alberg boats of course. The Cape Dorys are very nice, but clean examples can cost a fair bit of coin. The Alberg & Pearson boats may be a better bang for the buck. There is a very active Alberg 35 association.
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Old 28-05-2010, 06:56   #3
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Given your proposed cruising grounds I'd reconsider on the centerboard.
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Old 28-05-2010, 08:23   #4
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I am surprised that the Westsail 32 didnt make your list given the others that did.

Ok, I must qualify my responses by saying I am new to sailing but not boating. I am also shopping and doing an enormous amount of research but that does not make me an expert. This should be interesting to follow as the experts do chime in.

1. Personally I wouldnt choose a motorsailer.

2. Out of your list, I like the ones with a high gunwale for safety reasons. Out of that short list I would choose the Hans Christian 33. The HC33 is a high quality and intelligently designed vessel inside and out. The only drawback, IMHO, is room to mount an arch for the toys I know a blue water cruiser will want. This can be overcome though with some thought.

A close tie for second would be between the Ingrid 38 and the Morgan 382-4. Two different types of boats but hey, I like blondes and brunettes!

3. I would choose the Morgan 382-4. Reason being that it appears to me that it would be easier to rig all lines aft to the cockpit. Nice flat cabin top, lots of room for turning blocks, winches and cleats. Not to mention that it has gobs of open air room at the stern for an arch. Drawback of these boats is a very tight, cramped engine compartment.

4. Im too lazy to do this, sorry

Good luck with your search for the right boat!
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to live on forever I'd look seriously at the pearson 365
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Old 28-05-2010, 10:34   #6
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I spent over 20 years recreational sailing mostly on other people's boats. I've been on a Cape Dory 28, Pearson 365, and Morgan 382. So congratulations! You managed to compile a list of about 30 boats that I've never been on and a few I never even heard of.

Bearing in mind that I just sailed them - I didn't own or maintain them - my pick would be the Pearson 365. I prefer sloops, but it just "felt" like a boat that could take you anywhere. The Cape Dory 28 is a strong little boat, but it's, well, small. The Morgan 382 was just flat out fun, but we were sailing in near perfect conditions.
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Old 28-05-2010, 13:15   #7
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I am surprised that the Westsail 32 didnt make your list given the others that did.
Westsail - too many wooden decks. Hobby horse. Almost bought one at one time.

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Ok, I must qualify my responses by saying I am new to sailing but not boating. I am also shopping and doing an enormous amount of research but that does not make me an expert. This should be interesting to follow as the experts do chime in.
Yup difficult for an old SaltyMonkey.

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1. Personally I wouldnt choose a motorsailer.
Im ready for the Higher Lats and Im tired of getting wet in the fog at night.

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2. Out of your list, I like the ones with a high gunwale for safety reasons. Out of that short list I would choose the Hans Christian 33. The HC33 is a high quality and intelligently designed vessel inside and out. The only drawback, IMHO, is room to mount an arch for the toys I know a blue water cruiser will want. This can be overcome though with some thought.
And some of the wooden decks which are not nailed on correctly...also a lot of teak to maintain. Still, I had a big heart for that interior, which I think is very interesting-ly designed.

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A close tie for second would be between the Ingrid 38 and the Morgan 382-4. Two different types of boats but hey, I like blondes and brunettes!
I like the Ingrid. There are some good prices. The Morgan isn't bad either. one thing I have learned in the last few days is a lot of the cutters have travelers on the roof, while the sloops have travelers in the cockpit. For Single handed, My debate is still out. Ideally, traveler in cockpit with a cutter rig instead of messing with an inner forestay. Or maybe some ketch. Debating going on in SaltyMonkey's head...

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3. I would choose the Morgan 382-4. Reason being that it appears to me that it would be easier to rig all lines aft to the cockpit. Nice flat cabin top, lots of room for turning blocks, winches and cleats. Not to mention that it has gobs of open air room at the stern for an arch. Drawback of these boats is a very tight, cramped engine compartment.

4. Im too lazy to do this, sorry

Good luck with your search for the right boat!
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Old 28-05-2010, 13:21   #8
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I spent over 20 years recreational sailing mostly on other people's boats. I've been on a Cape Dory 28, Pearson 365, and Morgan 382. So congratulations! You managed to compile a list of about 30 boats that I've never been on and a few I never even heard of.

Bearing in mind that I just sailed them - I didn't own or maintain them - my pick would be the Pearson 365. I prefer sloops, but it just "felt" like a boat that could take you anywhere. The Cape Dory 28 is a strong little boat, but it's, well, small. The Morgan 382 was just flat out fun, but we were sailing in near perfect conditions.
Thanks slomotion

Pearson 365 = 2 votes
Morgan 382,3,4 = 1 Vote
HC = 1 vote (gets some credit)
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Well, I would cross all of the following off the list as full-time liveaboards because they are too small (unless you are a midget):

Shannon 28
Morris Leigh
All Cape Dorys under 36 ft
Arberg 30
Vancouver 27


I would look for a Tayana 37 without teak decks. They exist, and can be had for under 100K.

1987 TAYANA ~ GLASS DECKS Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

And if you are considering a motorsailer, I would be looking at this 38' Fales ketch, not the 32 footers.

1979 Pearson -Tillotson-Pearson Fales 38 Explorer Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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Old 28-05-2010, 14:56   #10
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Great advice on the smaller boats discard. I'd be fine for about 6 months to a year and then it would get cramped and old.

Yes, Tayana's are out there, and I'll keep an eye out from time to time, but a rare treat. Same with Westsails and HC

The Fales Navigator Ketch isn't a motorsailer with a pilothouse inside steering. Beautiful boat.

Generally, it's difficult to find a Sailboat with inside steering that you can get in and out of in a hurry. The Gulf is about the closest, but I don't know the reputation of how good a boat it is.

The list starts to narrow a bit

Pearson 365
Morgan 382,3,4 ( I prefer the 382)
Cape Dory 36

and the rest

Alajeula 33
Cabo Rico 36
Cabot 36
Corbin 39 – PH
Endurance 35 – PH
Hans Christian 33
Ingrid 38
Pacific Seacraft 31, 34
Rafiki 35
Rival 34, 36
Sabre 34
Scanmar 35
Seawind 30, 30 MK II
Southern Cross 35
Valiant 32
Vancouver 36
Vineyard Vixen 34

Motorsailer / PH's (some edits)

LM 30
Pearson 365 – PH
Banjer 37
Gulf 32 – PH
Saturna 33 – PH
Fisher 30, Northeaster
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Well, if you want a motorsailer with inside steering...

1990 Coaster 33 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I'm told that there are tabernacles, so that it is easy to lower the masts to do the French canals, etc.
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I heard opf a Pearson 365 for sale with lots of cruisng gear for $45k. Here is a link Third Day you'll have to search a little for it but he does offer it up for sale for $45k and also has a list of all the improvements that he has done to the boat.
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Old 28-05-2010, 17:07   #13
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Thanks Charlie. He's in a scramble to sell as he has just closed on another boat and ready to move onboard. And the 365 is in Mexico.

I'm taking my slooooowwww time looking and planning.
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Christmas - f() I guess any, plenty of great names on the list. My way it would probably be the Hans 33 - because they can be had new, and also because of the layout with great galley and the awesome doublebed.

Blue water - CD 36.

But overall, solo and blue water - Bougainvillaea!

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Old 28-05-2010, 18:41   #15
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Hmmm looked again at the HC 33. I'm a bit shy about keel bolts which I just noticed.

CD 36 - on my list but unsure about traveler on rooftop

Bougainvillaea oh sure!
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