SaltyMonkey is indeed stubborn about all of his boat priorities and his desire to discuss them in an "armchair sailor" fashion (insulting as that comment was to me) with all of you. He is not persuaded that he should just get a few local boats and go look at them. If that was the case SaltyMonkey could put on a clean pair of underwear and go look at two nice Ingrid 38's in his area both offered at a reasonable price
(he recently learned Ingrids were sometimes homebrewed so he thinks these are cheap
because they were built years ago w cement/iron ballast and they may indeed suck). Been there; done that. What his goal was by these posts was to become more educated - not only on the boats, but his own goals/needs...and learn from others who are perhaps more experienced but not as good looking as SaltyMonkey. Everyone here has contributed to that. More than I imagined coming into this. Thank you all. You're the best. If I ever get another damn boat again I will make you all spaghetti. Bring your own wine. I'm on sailor duty 24/7.
SaltyMonkey likes his ratios and proportions - primarily because he studied small craft design when he was a wee lad and because it's helpful to narrow down a list to a select few, and to weed out the "armchair" sailor suggestions such as oh...Hunter, Cal
, and Catalina
, and um....Beneteau. He also likes HO 249 but thinks celestial navigation
is a lie since in all his sailing experiences he never ever once got a clear horizon for a decent fix in the NE Atlantic. What am I saying? Its just numbers man...but it help to converge on an error even if its 10-20 miles out of 2,100.
Tayana Ketch - yes it's in my head
and my list thank you. You have reaffirmed my love for this boat. I also love the Ingrid 38, and the HC 33 which I wasn't clear about. I have yet to see a woodless deck
on a Westsail, but if I did I would love that one too I'm convinced. I would love a Dreadnaught if I saw one. I ponder the Cape Dory
36, but I suppose I could date one too. I love boats. Older boats. PS I'm not afraid of a few changes to dress up a boat for sea, I just don't want to be locked down to doing that with my wallet and not going sailing. I'm tired of hanging around yard sailors who spend all their time putting in AC units and crap.
Adlard Coles' stormy book is convincing me that perhaps skegs are not safe and those rudders break off making a nice man hole in the center of your boat maybe worse than a blade...and that deep full keels (ahh those wineglass hulls) and medium sized beam are best. They also steer better. (although I like the Contessa 32 which is a submarine). Hence, I should probably not look at PSC's
Moreover, wide eyed, I am also becoming convinced that roller reefing is the devil, and I should return to my favorite reefing headsails instead. Removing a headsail off a roller in large winds could be suicide for SaltyMonkey. Mast
reefing mains are also the devil. For both, all that top heaviness reduces stability around 30% in a gale and creates undo strains on the stays. Throw in a storm jib
and tri-sail in the middle of the mast
and the whole rig may come down. Not a good thing for SaltyMonkey by far. Oh my no!
Now, If I could create a slab reefing system without hooks for both sails
that could be run from the cockpit
...and no club boom on the head
....triple reef points + heavier sailcloth upstairs....hmmm simple...more tea for me.
Yes I like ketches. You get an extra mast for free as long as you don't have them connected. You dont need no stinkin radar
mast that looks like an erection. But, after two days of little sleep alone at sea, I cannot count to more than 2 sails
. A ketch with 3, or a ketch/cutter with 4 and I may loose my mind permanently and curl up in the cockpit
crying "why me again oh why why why".
rigs - OK, well, I am not convinced I should be out on any damn bowsprits removing headsails off tracks or roller reefers....
Which brings me back to sloop
again with a removable forestay and my SaltyMonkey reefing system.
But I haven't given up on the ketch...just narrowing options...no no that ketch has plenty of good stuff in it, I just haven't seen one I fell in love with or sailed. Well, maybe the Fisher
30 which is a ketch. I love that boat. I don't know why. The cockpit is useless which may be a good thing since it floods. I love that high gunwale, banana deck
. Deckhouse. Slanted windows.
Then there is size...
A 36-38 ft boat...I dunno man. Bigger everything. Bigger breaks from my 145 lb frame. Then there are upkeep expenses and what I can manage myself in maintenance
labour. Maybe practically 30-34? More pondering.
PSC's - I think the "older" 31 may be the better buy and its a wineglass. 34's do exist under 100k. 27 Orion MK II - like the interior
but small. But skegs skegs all...
The main list narrows:
And my inside steering
in order of liking:
We'll keep these on the sides to look at., since I may be surprised:
Cape Dory 33, 31, 30
382, 383, 384
Thats quite a progression from where we started.
You have to realize these days I'm re-evalating everything I "think" I know about sailing...everything...even the knots I use. Even the bowline isn't safe from my squinting eyes - it's a weak knot
and can come untied in a pinch. Sheet bends and Carrick bends are no good. Given the stronger overhand bends - the Zeppelin, the Ashley, the Alpine Butterfly, and the Hunter
...only the Alpine is easy to tie and difficult to get wrong. When you are stressed or sleepless you want simplicity. Moreover, the Alpine can be used to tie one or more loops anywhere on the line, in a very very easy fashion. So, learning
the Alpine with it's universal usages makes things simpler and stronger. Same with hitches - rolling hitch, fisherman hitch, clove hitch etc. Use an Adjustable Grip Hitch.
Thoughts come; thoughts go. I progress and talk too much...but its useful.
But thank you all for your opinions.
BTW, yes those slower boats probably sail better because the skippers know that when you are getting helm
it's time to reef or let things out. The racers just love to heel and they never learned balance is the key to speed not sail area (unless downwind)...