Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 29-09-2012, 19:05   #286
Registered User
 
sailing_jack's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Eastern Ontario
Boat: Ta Chiao CT 35 Jack, CS27 Christina, Ranger 23 Strider, I14 Aggie
Posts: 79
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

A fellow at our marina was showing me the boat he was restoring. It is currently ketch rigged but he wanted to convert it to a schooner rig. When I asked why he just got a rather dreamy look and said he just liked the look of them. I completely agreed, there is something about a schooner that just makes your heart beat quicker.

BTW, I see that the Bluenose is fully restored and re launched. Love that boat, I have been out on her, and sailed in convoy with her in a tall ships regatta. She does draw the eye.
__________________

__________________
sailing_jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-09-2012, 19:54   #287
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Montegut LA.
Boat: Now we need to get her to Louisiana !! she's ours
Posts: 3,421
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

Yea the Tall mast Sloops look sexy but if ya live and use the ICW ya learn darn quick that the shorter masts of a ketch help ya a bunch !! with our new to us 51 ft ketch, we can clear all the bridges on the Icw, and that sure helps us as we live right off of it !! justa thought
__________________

__________________
Bob and Connie
bobconnie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-09-2012, 21:56   #288
Registered User
 
Nicholson58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 3,466
Images: 83
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

We just returned from an extended weekend criuse to Milwaukee from Muskegon. We topped out at 11.4 Westbound (jib, cutter staysail, main mizzen staysail, mizzen) and 10.6 on the return (AS spinaker, main, mizzen staysail, mizzen). Favorable North winds both ways. Milwaukee is a fun town. Lots of water front activity, water-walks along the two main rivers. Many draw bridges. More good restaurants than we could do in a summer. We found it easier to walk and leave the boat in the 'busy' marina. This time of year, you may well have the place to yourself.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF3642.jpg
Views:	80
Size:	398.3 KB
ID:	47392   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF3657.jpg
Views:	78
Size:	409.9 KB
ID:	47393  

Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF3732.jpg
Views:	76
Size:	418.9 KB
ID:	47394   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF3740.jpg
Views:	76
Size:	417.2 KB
ID:	47395  

Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF3784.jpg
Views:	89
Size:	394.1 KB
ID:	47396   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF3691.jpg
Views:	80
Size:	370.4 KB
ID:	47397  

__________________
Nicholson58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-09-2012, 02:27   #289
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: sydney, australia
Boat: 38 roberts ketch
Posts: 1,021
Images: 3
Re: The death of the ketch?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Stocking View Post
If for no other reason, you want a split rig to fly "nature's sail", the mizzen staysail.
I've never had a mizzen staysail to play with - why 'natures sail'? having recently added a fully battened mizzen to my fully battened main i'm wondering why i'd forego the convenience of these sails in favor of a staysail.
__________________
charliehows is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-09-2012, 02:59   #290
Registered User
 
svBeBe's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: from Houston, TX; currently berthed in Barcelona, headed west
Boat: Amel SM 53 - BeBe
Posts: 946
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailing_jack View Post
Does anyone notice that boat sizes are still creeping up?

All this talk about 55's, 64's etc. Anything larger than 40 is probably starting to push my size limits. Big boats, big problems.
Yes. But having never owned anything less than 46' it is difficult for me to consider anything in the 40s as 'big.' And we have never yet (knock on wood) had any problems, big or small. Regular maintenance; sure. But problems; never. Amel still builds only ketches, although the current models can be cutter rigged ketch if purchaser desires. And Amel now builds only the 55' and 64' now. 64' is too big for me; but, as much as we love our current boat, we would sell our 53' and buy the new 55' Amel in a heartbeat -- IF we won the lottery. Out of our price range without that lottery win.

We have owned a sloop and a ketch and sailed all kinds of boats. Sloops for fun; ketch for world cruising. Speed is not important when cruising; comfort is.

Judy
__________________
svBeBe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-09-2012, 03:10   #291
Registered User
 
svBeBe's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: from Houston, TX; currently berthed in Barcelona, headed west
Boat: Amel SM 53 - BeBe
Posts: 946
Re: The death of the ketch?

Quote:
Originally Posted by charliehows View Post
I've never had a mizzen staysail to play with - why 'natures sail'? having recently added a fully battened mizzen to my fully battened main i'm wondering why i'd forego the convenience of these sails in favor of a staysail.
What is a mizzen staysail? And how is that rigged?

We have a mizzen assymetrical, called a mizzen ballooner by our boat manufacturer. It is a standard sail on our ketch. You do not forego the convenience of the mainsail and the mizzen sail when flying the mizzen assymetrical/ballooner. You fly all 3 at the same time, plus the genoa or a forward assymetrical if you prefer -- or all 5 if you are really into messing with sails instead of sitting back and just enjoying the ride. Only once have we flown all 5 at the same time. But we fly the mizzen assymetrical anytime the apparent wind angle is 90 to 150 degrees and we have at least 2 hours until destination. Too lazy to deal with it if we will be at anchor in less than 2 hours.

Judy
__________________
svBeBe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 06:57   #292
Registered User
 
flagorio's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 91
And up to how much wind speed do you fly all 5?
__________________
flagorio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 07:30   #293
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Holland, France
Boat: 33ft sloop
Posts: 1,091
Images: 5
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

On a large 11-12 mtrs or > vessel, a split surface could be quite practical. Otherwise I prefer the slutter-rig.
On my little boat, the mizzen is rather a nuisance, save that I can use the mast for aerials etc.
Next year I' ll fix a longer boom and a bigger main. (if I don't have another boat by then.)
__________________
MacG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 11:05   #294
Registered User
 
GaryMayo's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Branched Oak Yacht Club, Wife is an Admiral in the Nebraska Navy
Boat: Clipper Marine 32 CC Aft Cabin Ketch
Posts: 1,211
Learned yesterday my boat is classed as a cruiser racer. Sweet!

OK, who wants to race for pink slips??? Lol

The comfort number is low, must be why my wife has a look of displeasure every time the wind blows.

What do some of the other numbers mean?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image-3571061489.jpg
Views:	85
Size:	336.2 KB
ID:	47445   Click image for larger version

Name:	image-3791532313.jpg
Views:	89
Size:	162.1 KB
ID:	47446  

__________________
W.I.B. Crealock when asked what he thought of the easily trailerable Clipper Marine sailboats by a naval design collegue, Gentelman Bill responded, "I am very proud of them".
www.clippermarine.org & www.clipper-sailor.net
GaryMayo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 19:17   #295
Registered User
 
Nicholson58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 3,466
Images: 83
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by flagorio View Post
And up to how much wind speed do you fly all 5?

Look at our photos above. The staysail is not an "instead" sail. It, like a spinnaker, is a reaching & running sail. You may need to change the location of the tack from midship to windward if the wind is well aft as shown in the photo.

We run the whole lot in apparent wind up to 11 or 12. Close reaching in winds up to about 8 apparent the boat speed will match the apparent.

Photos are of our sister ship in Sydney Harbor.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	mustang 1.jpg
Views:	82
Size:	77.8 KB
ID:	47474   Click image for larger version

Name:	mustang 2.jpg
Views:	96
Size:	18.3 KB
ID:	47475  

__________________
Nicholson58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 20:43   #296
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Montegut LA.
Boat: Now we need to get her to Louisiana !! she's ours
Posts: 3,421
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

We sure look forward to flying all those sails as we just found on board, a Yankee a Mizzen mule and a Spinaker!( which Ive never had before LOL) We did not know any of these sails were there when we made our offer to buy our new to us boat ! but are sure happy about them !!
__________________
Bob and Connie
bobconnie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 22:40   #297
Registered User
 
GaryMayo's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Branched Oak Yacht Club, Wife is an Admiral in the Nebraska Navy
Boat: Clipper Marine 32 CC Aft Cabin Ketch
Posts: 1,211
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobconnie View Post
We sure look forward to flying all those sails as we just found on board, a Yankee a Mizzen mule and a Spinaker!( which Ive never had before LOL) We did not know any of these sails were there when we made our offer to buy our new to us boat ! but are sure happy about them !!
Congratulations!
__________________
W.I.B. Crealock when asked what he thought of the easily trailerable Clipper Marine sailboats by a naval design collegue, Gentelman Bill responded, "I am very proud of them".
www.clippermarine.org & www.clipper-sailor.net
GaryMayo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2012, 16:18   #298
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St-Lazare, Qc. Canada
Boat: Whitby 42 - Esmeralda II
Posts: 160
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobconnie View Post
We sure look forward to flying all those sails as we just found on board, a Yankee a Mizzen mule and a Spinaker!( which Ive never had before LOL) We did not know any of these sails were there when we made our offer to buy our new to us boat ! but are sure happy about them !!
I had the same good surprise with my ketch and have to set some blocks to be able to use all of them, I am so anxious to try them all at once, this is going to look great and make us really fast in light winds!
__________________
Roland on Esmeralda II - Whitby 42
rolandgilbert99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2012, 18:05   #299
Registered User
 
DSDman's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Chicopee, MA
Posts: 570
Images: 16
Ok I have a ketch but I know very little about sailing it and the various sail configurations. Bob or one of you old wise sea dogs want to explain all the different sails and where they go, mizzen mule, yankee kite, storm flipper??? I have not found a book out there that explains specifically how to sail or rig a ketch.
__________________
DSDman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2012, 19:04   #300
Registered User
 
Cruiser2B's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Norfolk
Boat: Westsail 32
Posts: 367
Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

I saw a Dreadnaught 32 Ketch motoring out of Little Creek on Sunday. That is my idea of a classic salty cruising vessel. I love my Alberg but wish I had the pocket change for one of those.......... I like the looks of Alberg 37 yawl, Allied Seawind and Westsail 28/32.....this list goes on.

An interesting boat I saw on yatchworld was a Alberg 30 Yawl....Anyone know if this is an Alberg 30 original rig or added later. Just curious
__________________

__________________
http://svsalacia.blogspot.com
1971 Alberg 30..preparing to get underway!
USCG 100T Master Near Coastal with Inland Aux Sail
Cruiser2B is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ketch, paracelle

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:31.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.