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Old 26-09-2012, 01:20   #256
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Old 26-09-2012, 06:56   #257
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I have an Amel and with each boat comes a full time mechanic and French maid who does the cooking. Unfortunately I dont speak French and have to fix the boat and cook myself which is really maintenence and part of the fun. The Amels are fantastic boats for offshore voyages. And extremely reliable. Most are ketchs. Frankly, day sailing a simply boat is fun, but serving up a frosty beverage long after your ice has melted, is awesome. Pushing buttons to unroll the main and jib is nice, but the best is rolling them up (reefing) without risking life and limb at the mast. I dont even get wet in my vinyl villa. And I dont miss putting on heavy offshore foulies, googles at times, to take the the 4 am watch in 30- 50 knot breezes. been there, done that to many times Its a new world with ipods, touch screen nav, AIS, etc. Love it. I agree with Roland.
Here is a real case of experience with one of the most reliable and beautifull boat on Earth! I met several owners of older models such as the 54 in the Med and they all loved their boat, so yes it does not have the old marine look, it is not made for low budget sailing but this is one of the greatest ketch one could find to sail around the world in comfort and security IMHO. And I will keep on dreaming of owning one !
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Old 26-09-2012, 09:42   #258
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Gary, looks like you added more roach to the main, and sized up the mizzen considerably.
How does this affect trim? You must have moved CE aft a fair bit
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Old 26-09-2012, 23:47   #259
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Gary, looks like you added more roach to the main, and sized up the mizzen considerably.
How does this affect trim? You must have moved CE aft a fair bit


The boat is still in service this season. The dream (nightmare) starts when I pull her this fall.
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Old 27-09-2012, 01:37   #260
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Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

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I have an Amel and with each boat comes a full time mechanic and French maid who does the cooking. Unfortunately I dont speak French and have to fix the boat and cook myself which is really maintenence and part of the fun. The Amels are fantastic boats for offshore voyages. And extremely reliable. Most are ketchs. Frankly, day sailing a simply boat is fun, but serving up a frosty beverage long after your ice has melted, is awesome. Pushing buttons to unroll the main and jib is nice, but the best is rolling them up (reefing) without risking life and limb at the mast. I dont even get wet in my vinyl villa. And I dont miss putting on heavy offshore foulies, googles at times, to take the the 4 am watch in 30- 50 knot breezes. been there, done that to many times Its a new world with ipods, touch screen nav, AIS, etc. Love it. I agree with Roland.
An Amel is certainly the very best yacht for crossing oceans and serious passages. While in a storm that moved N, S, E and W in the Bay of Bengal, we remained in control, dry, comfortable, stood watches, showered daily, ate regular meals (except for 1 day) and slept regular hours in Force 9 conditions for a 4-day period in an Amel 53 ketch. When we arrived in Sri Lanka we were rested. We logged 1600 miles rather than 1000 as we attempted to miss the worst part of the storm. Our main sail was damaged, but was repaired easily when we reached Sri Lanka. A yacht 25 miles from our position declared a Mayday and abandoned ship. The storm killed 35 Sri Lankans on shore. Unbelievably the LO was never named, nor was it predicted. Thank goodness we were on an Amel.

Also, we loved our Pacific crossing so much that we talk about doing it again.

And while other people were working on their boats we were sipping cool drinks. Thank you Henri Amel and God rest your soul.

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Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

I figure the day of the Ketch will come back. Maybe when that passing fad with multihulls wears off?

or when sails become solar power generators?
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Old 27-09-2012, 06:17   #262
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I am a firm believer in never changing the original design of the boat. You probably will spend money to make your boat less efficient. There are lots of optional sails for ketch rigs that are specifically designed for ketch rigs.
A mizzen staysail will give you more sail area and greatly increase light air performance. A mizzen staysail will also give you a traditional look while under sail. The from there, you still have more optional sails.

Agree with that. I'd add code zero hardware and roller furling spinnaker and possibly a longer sprit to enhance light air and down wind performance. If you are in-mast furling consider changing to in-boom furling so you can get some roach or even a gaff-topped main using battons to extend the top of the main. Consider also the solent rig. Solent Rig | Cruising World
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Before I bought my Allied 39 Ketch, I got on several forums and asked about ketch rigs and most of the negative stuff was repeated by many forum members almost word for word. It's like they had no real knowlwdge of them and must have all read the same article and regurgitated it.
The same could be said for so many topics, e.g. wooden hulls, junk rig, etc.
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Re: The Death of the Ketch ?

people who have never sailed a heavy cruiser or a ketch do not understand the ease of handling there is offered in these boats.
the trend is toward racy looking sloops --this trend will change when someone decides that a different trend is due. is always what the designer or builder thinks will sell, not what is functional and comfortable.
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Look at anything made today. Everything is made cheaper. Walk into Walmart and buy a toaster. Now go to goodwill and buy an old toaster. Compare them side by side.

Why is the new toaster made the way it is?

Price, available raw materials? Inability to hire a good solid workforce?

A high quality toaster made today, like they made fifty years ago would cost $500 today. Who would pay that? No Walmart customer.

Sailboats. Just the same as toasters. The price today to produce a high quality ketch, a sailboat maker can almost produce two sailboats in its place for the same investment.

Everywhere the marketplace is pushing consumer goods at us, that makes the shareholders the most money.

The cookie cutter sailboat makers don't offer a ketch rig because at the end of the day, it is all about the bottom line. How much money was made from time, and materials invested.

Want a good toaster? Goodwill

Want a good sailboat? Look back in time.

My last sailboat was made in 83. Craftsmanship, materials were just starting the downward decline towards a Walmart quality product. Hull thin enough you could almost move it by pushing on it. The same boat today? Like pushing on Tupperware. Where is the quality?

My 1975 sailboat built as a Trailerable sailboat would break your hand if you hit it with your fist. High quality stainless hardware, not the pot metal I see today on a comparable sailboat.

Quality today has been replaced by automation set to make every part fail on the 91st day of a 90 day warranty.
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Old 27-09-2012, 11:50   #267
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Quality today has been replaced by automation set to make every part fail on the 91st day of a 90 day warranty.
Not true for all boats, look at this one: Fairlie 55 - Video Diary.mov - YouTube
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Old 27-09-2012, 12:04   #268
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Isaw the movie on YT too. But, do you have any idea what this boat might cost?
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I was told 1.2 $M. To be verified.
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That 55 footer is BEAUTIFUL. What an amazing video, such quality.
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