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Old 17-06-2015, 16:57   #691
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!35+ AVS sounds nice.

I'm being picky, but those grand entrance steps to the computer-generated saloon are far too steep and in need of some non-skid, with decorative handrails set too low to be effective, except while in the marina, no sign of overhead grabrails or grab-pillars anywhere in that nice clean interior, and those 'Home Depot' doorknobs are an accident waiting to happen. Sorry Paul - give me a century-old Colin Archer any day.
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Old 18-06-2015, 12:44   #692
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Azores and Back Race: azab.co.uk
This is a terrific way to view boats and sailors who go the distance in deep water, seaworthy bluewater boats.

The interesting thing, to me, is to read the boat descriptions and see how they fared, read blogs, etc. Lots of current information. Racers and non-racers can find plenty of useful information. I have the sailing instructions and notice of race documents on file as a course in best practices.
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Old 19-06-2015, 09:39   #693
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!35+ AVS sounds nice.

I'm being picky, but those grand entrance steps to the computer-generated saloon are far too steep and in need of some non-skid, with decorative handrails set too low to be effective, except while in the marina, no sign of overhead grabrails or grab-pillars anywhere in that nice clean interior, and those 'Home Depot' doorknobs are an accident waiting to happen. Sorry Paul - give me a century-old Colin Archer any day.
Here is a new old one. Think you could torpedo this and it would just cough a little. COLIN ARCHER ONE OFF ‹ Bojar

Might be faster to swim to where ever you going to though.
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Azores and Back Race: azab.co.uk
This is a terrific way to view boats and sailors who go the distance in deep water, seaworthy bluewater boats.

The interesting thing, to me, is to read the boat descriptions and see how they fared, read blogs, etc. Lots of current information. Racers and non-racers can find plenty of useful information. I have the sailing instructions and notice of race documents on file as a course in best practices.
Have a look at the boats that retired and those that made it.
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Old 19-06-2015, 14:04   #695
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Azores and Back Race: azab.co.uk
This is a terrific way to view boats and sailors who go the distance in deep water, seaworthy bluewater boats.
From the list of entries: some are blue, some not so blue.
From the results - 50 names of yachts that made it, 16 that retired.
Must we read up on every blog and try to match every yacht's name to a detail description of the yacht to decipher anything useful, or is there something I've missed? Did they encounter extreme weather to test the designs, or was it another cruise?
It seems much easier to go read an analysis of the Sydney-Hobart or Fastnet disasters to find a useful analysis of what works in yacht design and what doesn't. Or maybe someone has done the numbers on the AZAB and can tell us what they've learned?
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From the list of entries: some are blue, some not so blue.
From the results - 50 names of yachts that made it, 16 that retired.
Must we read up on every blog and try to match every yacht's name to a detail description of the yacht to decipher anything useful, or is there something I've missed? Did they encounter extreme weather to test the designs, or was it another cruise?
It seems much easier to go read an analysis of the Sydney-Hobart or Fastnet disasters to find a useful analysis of what works in yacht design and what doesn't. Or maybe someone has done the numbers on the AZAB and can tell us what they've learned?
The maximum wind speed was about 55 Knt true and from aft no huge seas. In fact what you can expect for a Biscay crossing off the shelf more often than not. Nothing untoward.
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Here is a new old one... Might be faster to swim to wherever you going to though.
If you're in a hurry - take a jet plane. Just look at the steelwork in that hull - almost looks like timber.
Yes there may be some safety advantage in being able to leg it out of trouble, but being able to heave-to comfortably in a 'brick sh*t-house' is nice too! No need to pile up on the rocks at the harbor entrance if you can comfortably ride it out at sea. But those are the choices we all have to make and luckily we're all different.
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Just got done working with one of these. Very nice.



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Here is a new old one. Think you could torpedo this and it would just cough a little. COLIN ARCHER ONE OFF ‹ Bojar

Might be faster to swim to where ever you going to though.
I like the looks of that boat.

Some of the Dutch boats are outstanding in quality. That one looks very nicely finished from what is seen in the photos.

I prefer the light colored wood (shown in this Bojar boat) over the dark wood used in the Koopmans that was linked earlier.
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I like the pilothouse version.
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These boats are sexy!
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Minaret,

Those are sexy and stylish boats. What does one cost?
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Minaret,

Those are sexy and stylish boats. What does one cost?
It cost more money than sense.

2.5 mil dollars as I remember.. There or there about. Your John Kerry owns one. http://yachtpals.com/files/userimage...rry-yachts.jpg

I would get one but don't like the colour of the upholstery.

Next life maybe...
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Those are sexy and stylish boats. What does one cost?


A 75' boat described as "a luxury day sailer"? If you have to ask, you can't afford it, as J.D. Rockefeller once said.
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If you're in a hurry - take a jet plane. Just look at the steelwork in that hull - almost looks like timber.
Yes there may be some safety advantage in being able to leg it out of trouble, but being able to heave-to comfortably in a 'brick sh*t-house' is nice too! No need to pile up on the rocks at the harbor entrance if you can comfortably ride it out at sea. But those are the choices we all have to make and luckily we're all different.
At least I now know what you like now.. ok, one brick sh*t house coming your way if I win the lottery jackpot.

I did not know tugs are available with sails..
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