Tayana 52 or 55

haydenw · 02-10-2006, 20:39

Hello to everyone. We are adventurous couple in our early 50's looking to circumnavigate in a couple of years. The idea is to buy now and spend a few years sailing locally before heading off. Have looked at center cockpit Tayana 55's and both center and aft cockpit Tayana 52's... any suggestions. My early thoughts are: the 55's have higher freeboard and does this equate to drier ? Both boats seem like they are built strong and up to a few circles of the globe - although there are far more upmarket interiors available at a price - Hylas / Taswell etc.

Would appreciate anyone's thoughts. Also, any experience with centerboard Bristol 48'-54' designs for serious offshore cruising.

Fairwinds to all,
Hayden

S/V Elusive · 02-10-2006, 22:45

Hayden .. welcome to the forum. What background do you have with sailboats. Do you intend to double hand the boat, or have crew? New or used? Where ae you currently (as to the evaluation of the 'local cruising'). Lots and lots of questions. And, you'll get lots and lots of answer that aren't probably of interest. You may want to be a bit more specific.

Good luck!

dana-tenacity · 02-10-2006, 22:53

I just got back 3 days ago from delivering one from Tahiti to NZ. Overall opinion was decidedly average, mind you this was an old one that hadn't been well maintained.

peter kearney · 20-10-2006, 14:44

Hi everyone. We are looking at purchasing a Tayana '55 mid 80's model. Being a large volume boat, we were wondering how they handle in regards to the wind to boat speed ratio etc, and any construction and mainantence issues.

haydenw · 03-10-2006, 08:09

Hi Thomas

I have limited sailing experience - all in Etchells 22s. We are fully aware of what we have ahead of us to learn but are 2 very capable people. We will sail as a couple most of the time, with our family and friends joining for short cruises. I would envisage a boat of 48-55' with maybe Leisure Furl or in-mast furling and a few electric winches to lighten the physical stuff. I am an Aussie, but we have a business in Tulsa, so are looking to purchase on either East or West coast US. New boats in the size range are probably outside our budget, and we are well aware of the cost of upgrading used boats to suit the intended purpose. As far as layout goes, we want 2 double cabins plus maybe one up/down berth cabin to accommodate expected visitors and family. I don't really have preference for aft or center cockpit, although center seems to yield comfortable aft cabin arrangements.

I have looked at a couple of Bristols from 47.7 to 54.4 and whilst they are beautifully constructed boats, I do not know enough about their ofshore sailing abilities (with centerboard) to comment further. I am also aware from all I have read that draft and manouverability in tight marinas can be issues that should be addressed. I guess a bow thruster would help but surely keel and skeg design play a role in how easy a boat is to handle (especially when reversing).

I appreciate all comments as I am well aware of the limitations of my experience and am open to learn from those who have been doing this for decades.

Regards
Hayden

Richhh · 03-10-2006, 09:58

If youre keen on the Tayana offered designs you might want to consider contracting (for fee) Bob Perry to help you evaluate, etc. an older Ty52 (He designed it) or even the Ty55/58.

www.perryboat.com
http://www.perryboat.com/page/consult

He will have the specific knowledge of how these boats have held-up over time, what upgrades, etc. would be necessary, etc. and most importantly what you would need to do to bring the boat up to 'spec.' for your intended circimnavigation / passagemaking. He's pretty self-critical of his (and others) past designs .... would be money well spent.

dana-tenacity · 03-10-2006, 15:24

I'd consider the Bristol a much higher quality boat. I hate telling people what boat to buy but here goes. In your situation I would go smaller, simpler and higher quality in the same budget. Otherwise you'll spend all your cruising time and money maintaining and repairing systems that aren't essential anyway. Look at Halberg Rassey, an old Swan, or if you're an Aussie look for NZ one offs. In that price bracket be prepared to look globally, good deals in places people give up, Panama, Fiji, NZ and Aus.

ssullivan · 20-10-2006, 15:37

The only input I'd have is that they would be s.....l.....o.....w.........

I also agree that the Bristol is a bit higher on the construction quality scale and that the large Tayana will be a bit of boat to handle. We have a 45' Hirsh Gulfstar that's selling right now and I wouldn't go much larger than this (if at all) if you plan to single hand.

Richhh · 20-10-2006, 19:16

A Tayana 55 slow?????? Sean- you HAVE to be confusing a Tayana with some 'slug' type boat.
PHRF rating of a Ty55 is 54
Your boat is PHRF 120

54/120 = .45 ..... meaning the Ty55 will be returned back to it's slip before your boat reaches the first mark. <grin>

SkiprJohn · 20-10-2006, 23:11

Aloha Hayden,
My opinion is that you are looking at a boat that is 20 feet too long.
Kind Regards,
JohnL

ssullivan · 21-10-2006, 05:43

Whoops! Sorry Richhh. You're right. I was confusing the Tayana 55 with the shorter Tayanas - a la full keel and slower. My mistake!

02-10-2006, 20:39	#1
haydenw Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tulsa / Phuket Posts: 2	Tayana 52 or 55 Hello to everyone. We are adventurous couple in our early 50's looking to circumnavigate in a couple of years. The idea is to buy now and spend a few years sailing locally before heading off. Have looked at center cockpit Tayana 55's and both center and aft cockpit Tayana 52's... any suggestions. My early thoughts are: the 55's have higher freeboard and does this equate to drier ? Both boats seem like they are built strong and up to a few circles of the globe - although there are far more upmarket interiors available at a price - Hylas / Taswell etc. Would appreciate anyone's thoughts. Also, any experience with centerboard Bristol 48'-54' designs for serious offshore cruising. Fairwinds to all, Hayden

02-10-2006, 22:53	#3
dana-tenacity Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Whangaparaoa,NZ Boat: The Squid is launched and sailing Posts: 611	tayana 55 I just got back 3 days ago from delivering one from Tahiti to NZ. Overall opinion was decidedly average, mind you this was an old one that hadn't been well maintained.

03-10-2006, 09:58	#6
Richhh Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Boat: Tayana 37, M-20/I-20 Scow Posts: 250	Why not contract the designer for 'consultation', etc. If youre keen on the Tayana offered designs you might want to consider contracting (for fee) Bob Perry to help you evaluate, etc. an older Ty52 (He designed it) or even the Ty55/58. www.perryboat.com http://www.perryboat.com/page/consult He will have the specific knowledge of how these boats have held-up over time, what upgrades, etc. would be necessary, etc. and most importantly what you would need to do to bring the boat up to 'spec.' for your intended circimnavigation / passagemaking. He's pretty self-critical of his (and others) past designs .... would be money well spent. Last edited by Richhh; 03-10-2006 at 10:07.

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02-10-2006, 22:45	#2
S/V Elusive Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,454	Hayden .. welcome to the forum. What background do you have with sailboats. Do you intend to double hand the boat, or have crew? New or used? Where ae you currently (as to the evaluation of the 'local cruising'). Lots and lots of questions. And, you'll get lots and lots of answer that aren't probably of interest. You may want to be a bit more specific. Good luck!

20-10-2006, 14:44	#4
peter kearney Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	Hi everyone. We are looking at purchasing a Tayana '55 mid 80's model. Being a large volume boat, we were wondering how they handle in regards to the wind to boat speed ratio etc, and any construction and mainantence issues.

03-10-2006, 08:09	#5
haydenw Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tulsa / Phuket Posts: 2	Hi Thomas I have limited sailing experience - all in Etchells 22s. We are fully aware of what we have ahead of us to learn but are 2 very capable people. We will sail as a couple most of the time, with our family and friends joining for short cruises. I would envisage a boat of 48-55' with maybe Leisure Furl or in-mast furling and a few electric winches to lighten the physical stuff. I am an Aussie, but we have a business in Tulsa, so are looking to purchase on either East or West coast US. New boats in the size range are probably outside our budget, and we are well aware of the cost of upgrading used boats to suit the intended purpose. As far as layout goes, we want 2 double cabins plus maybe one up/down berth cabin to accommodate expected visitors and family. I don't really have preference for aft or center cockpit, although center seems to yield comfortable aft cabin arrangements. I have looked at a couple of Bristols from 47.7 to 54.4 and whilst they are beautifully constructed boats, I do not know enough about their ofshore sailing abilities (with centerboard) to comment further. I am also aware from all I have read that draft and manouverability in tight marinas can be issues that should be addressed. I guess a bow thruster would help but surely keel and skeg design play a role in how easy a boat is to handle (especially when reversing). I appreciate all comments as I am well aware of the limitations of my experience and am open to learn from those who have been doing this for decades. Regards Hayden

03-10-2006, 15:24	#7
dana-tenacity Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Whangaparaoa,NZ Boat: The Squid is launched and sailing Posts: 611	I'd consider the Bristol a much higher quality boat. I hate telling people what boat to buy but here goes. In your situation I would go smaller, simpler and higher quality in the same budget. Otherwise you'll spend all your cruising time and money maintaining and repairing systems that aren't essential anyway. Look at Halberg Rassey, an old Swan, or if you're an Aussie look for NZ one offs. In that price bracket be prepared to look globally, good deals in places people give up, Panama, Fiji, NZ and Aus.

20-10-2006, 15:37	#8
ssullivan Senior Cruiser Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,530	The only input I'd have is that they would be s.....l.....o.....w......... I also agree that the Bristol is a bit higher on the construction quality scale and that the large Tayana will be a bit of boat to handle. We have a 45' Hirsh Gulfstar that's selling right now and I wouldn't go much larger than this (if at all) if you plan to single hand.

20-10-2006, 19:16	#9
Richhh Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Boat: Tayana 37, M-20/I-20 Scow Posts: 250	A Tayana 55 slow?????? Sean- you HAVE to be confusing a Tayana with some 'slug' type boat. PHRF rating of a Ty55 is 54 Your boat is PHRF 120 54/120 = .45 ..... meaning the Ty55 will be returned back to it's slip before your boat reaches the first mark. <grin>

20-10-2006, 23:11	#10
SkiprJohn Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kea'au, Big Island, Hawaii Boat: Cascade, Cutter, 42 - "Casual" Posts: 5,198	Aloha Hayden, My opinion is that you are looking at a boat that is 20 feet too long. Kind Regards, JohnL

21-10-2006, 05:43	#11
ssullivan Senior Cruiser Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,530	Whoops! Sorry Richhh. You're right. I was confusing the Tayana 55 with the shorter Tayanas - a la full keel and slower. My mistake!