05-12-2007, 15:14
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Hi ppl well you lost me again  reading about a Hunter 37 cutteri came across all this stuff ( help  ) what does it all mean ???1 PHRF of 155 2 SA/D - 18 3 B/D - 40% 4 D/L - 287 5 motion of comfort - 34 6 Capsize screen of 1.91 any help would be great thanks alex |
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05-12-2007, 15:50
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1 - PHRF = Performance Handicap Racing Fleet - a system of using handicap performance formulae to "adjust" the racing times of dissimilar vessels. Think of the practice of placing weight in the saddles of thoroughbred horses to compensate for previous experience and race results. 2 - SA/D = Sail Area/Displacement - the ratio of the total area of a vessel's sails to the weight of the water displaced by its hull(s). 3 - B/D = Don't know what the B refers to, for certain, though I suspect it might be ballast, but the D is, again, displacement. 4 - D/L = Displacement/Length - the ratio of the weight of the displaced water to the vessel's length (probably LWL, or Load Water Line). 5 - Not familiar with this term. 6 - Probably a formula for determining at what point a vessel turns turtle (capsizes) instead of coming back onto her feet (regains an upright position), or as rebel heart puts it, has "the stick in the air." I could be wrong on the above, and others with greater knowledge will correct me, but thought I'd try to help. TaoJones
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05-12-2007, 17:39
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Sail Calculator Pro v3.5-beta scroll halfway down the page until you see the text boxes. Click in any box and it will tell you what that value is based upon. You can select your boat from the lists above and it will calculate all those things for you. It is a very useful page. | |
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05-12-2007, 19:48
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IMHO all that stuff doesn't mean a thing unless you've been aboard several boats so that you can compare the numbers of one boat to another. It also doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the build of the boat or whether it will take punishment offshore. JohnL |
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08-12-2007, 05:08
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08-12-2007, 05:20
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These values are used to describe the performance of the boat based on it's metrics, weight, balast, sail area, hull shape, waterline and so forth. While it might be helpful to sail in boats with different metrics you can predict the "performance" of a boat if you know what those values correspond to. It's not rocket science, and it is helpful in understanding naval architecture and these factors are what makes some vessels perform in light air, or offshore in heavy weather etc. |
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08-12-2007, 10:26
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If you're looking for a race boat, ditch the Hunter. There's no way you can argue that they can hold their own in a race. Take a J109 or Farr395 and put it up against that Hunter, handicap included. No contest. I don't know what it is, but I'm really anti-Hunter. When I see one, all I can think is "the guy on that probably has designer sunglasses."
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08-12-2007, 14:23
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Hunters are in not racers nor cruising boats. In general they are weekend boats more suited to general family use. They are ok for their intended purpose. Don't let some slick broker tell you different.  I guess you could take the larger ones cruising but still, there are so many better cruising boats out there.
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08-12-2007, 23:09
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Maybe I'm biased anti Hunter as well. About ten years ago, there was some newbie cruiser guy in a Hunter 45 in Zihuatanejo who asked on the local VHF net if there was anyone in the anchorage that had a Jabsco part number xxxxxx that he could buy. When nobody answered him he got pissed and started berating everyone for not being willing to part with THEIR spare parts! I don't know if anybody even HAD the part he wanted. We found out later that his wife had jumped ship about a month into the cruise because he was such a Captain Ahab. Steve B. |
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11-12-2007, 16:03
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Rebel Heart.... I have a Hunter 240, and for the life of me I can't remember ever owning a pair of designer sunglasses |
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11-12-2007, 16:53
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The old Hunter 37 cutters are not 'typical' Hunters - whatever that means. These boats were a Cherubini design with (I think) solid glass hulls. They came in a shoal draft and deep draft version. I had occasion to help sail a deep draft one from the Keys (via the Dry Tortugas) to New Port Richie about ten years ago. Of course, the forecast was wrong and we got caught out in the Gulf in deteriorating weather with cross seas and squalls for over 24 hours. My impression was that the H37C is not a particularly fast light wind performer, but it was strong and capable in nasty conditions. Of course, these boats are now all more than 20 years old . For this vintage, condition is probably more important than design - watch for leaky ports, hatches, decks, etc. Last edited by slomotion; 11-12-2007 at 17:02. |
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12-12-2007, 07:56
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Hunters get a lot of people into sailing and make good coastal cruisers and weekenders. They hit a price point and have been very successful. I would not consider the smaller Hunters safe offshore boats but I'm shure they are being sailed offshore anyway.
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12-12-2007, 14:45
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hi all thanks for all the replys very helpful as i said i just found the item about the hunter cutter the one im looking at for the moment (and by the time im looking to buy and should be in the price range) is the hunter 45 I know I know but i can afford the sunglass's right now  but it just looks a great yacht I know looks are not the way to buy anything but as i read something that part of cruising is feeling good about your yacht and i'd look good on that yacht lol thanks alex
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12-12-2007, 16:59
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When it comes to sailboats, a little romance is both acceptable and expected. Her lines and your reaction to them shouldn't be the most important consideration. But they're not irrelevant either.
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13-12-2007, 12:37
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| Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Geneva, NY
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Dark Metal There is a Hunters owners web site and they're very helpful and have a welth of information. Anita HunterOwners.com |
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