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Old 09-11-2012, 11:04   #91
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

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Heard the mention of Dutch quality many times over the years. Anyone know what their interior paint scheme is when new?
#1. Sandblasting
#2. De-Greasing
#3. 1 layer of 2-components epoxypaint with a brush. (for example from Epifanes)
#4. next 2 layers with air spay.

Thats it.

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Old 09-11-2012, 17:30   #92
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foam core and fiberglass will float, somewhat, as a sheet of material. Steel will sink. Give me fiberglass with foam core, insulation, any day.
I'm hopin this is a gentle troll because, otherwise, there's a potentially dangerous delusion here.

It's true that an isolated piece of foam sandwich will linger on the surface but a holed hull of that material will go very quickly to the bottom. After all, there're lotsa other bits of a boat that tend not to float, not least the lead in the keel.

And beware: a foam sandwich hull is the most easily holed of all common boatbuilding materials. Steel, on the other hand, is the most resistant to holing.
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Old 09-11-2012, 18:07   #93
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

Read some of the posts ... obviously not all of them.
Steel ... rust, rust, rust in areas not always obvious or accessable
... difficult to do simple modifications even if you're a skilled steel worker
... have you ever seen a true hour-glass hull made from steel? wood can be steam bent, formed, planned into shape ... better yet, fiberglass can be molded into anything you can create.
... have to agree with Wand ... cored fiberglass is a hole waiting to happen. Look for an old school, solid fiberglass boat. Remove the toerail, resin fill the 100 holes on each side and attach it to the safety stantions. Who wants over 200 holes in their boat anyway?
Good luck in your search.
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Old 09-11-2012, 18:21   #94
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Read some of the posts ... obviously not all of them.
Steel ... rust, rust, rust in areas not always obvious or accessable
... difficult to do simple modifications even if you're a skilled steel worker
... have you ever seen a true hour-glass hull made from steel? wood can be steam bent, formed, planned into shape ... better yet, fiberglass can be molded into anything you can create.
... have to agree with Wand ... cored fiberglass is a hole waiting to happen. Look for an old school, solid fiberglass boat. Remove the toerail, resin fill the 100 holes on each side and attach it to the safety stantions. Who wants over 200 holes in their boat anyway?
Good luck in your search.
Here a Dick Koopmans design under construction, keep on dreaming about OLD GLASS.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:39   #95
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Read some of the posts ... obviously not all of them.
Steel ... rust, rust, rust in areas not always obvious or accessable
... difficult to do simple modifications even if you're a skilled steel worker
... have you ever seen a true hour-glass hull made from steel?.
How about this for an hour glass in steel. Excuse the two colour anti foul, just using up an old tin......
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:09   #96
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

I think Auzzee's hit the mark. A good steel boat built in a good shipyard (and the Dutch build some of the best steel boats in the world) will pay you back every cent you spend on it. Problem is that many steel boats are built by amateurs.

I have a Dutch built steel boat, built in 1982, professional shipyard job. No signs of rust other than the odd superficial bit here and there that are easy to keep down. Solid as a rock and sails well with the wind. Many other steel boats I've been on have been a nightmare.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:05   #97
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

I take my hat off ... those truely look beautiful. Like you said, though, many are built by amateurs who really know nothing about metalurgy, don't have proper bending and rolling equipment and only know the first thing about welding.
I thought once of building a steel boat; research and bought books. I'm glad now that I didn't because it would still be in the back yard in Georgia ... I now live ing California.
I personally still prefer fiberglass with no core. Guess I'm just used to working with it.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:47   #98
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

You are in the wrong country, that is.

Steel is simply to modify. If you think otherwise you just don' t have the people who can do the job.
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Old 10-11-2012, 16:33   #99
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I take my hat off ... those truly look beautiful. Like you said, though, many are built by amateurs who really know nothing about metallurgy, don't have proper bending and rolling equipment and only know the first thing about welding.
I thought once of building a steel boat; research and bought books. I'm glad now that I didn't because it would still be in the back yard in Georgia ... I now live ing California.
I personally still prefer fiberglass with no core. Guess I'm just used to working with it.
I think when you come down to it a good boat is a good boat my last boat was Grp and i agree there is not much wrong with a solid glass boat nor much wrong with a well built steel boat.

I* think Ozzskipper had a point with the fact you could leave a grp boat for 20 years unattended and have less work to do then a steel boat when you come back to it. But if you dont abandon your boat for that long and maintain it while you use it then the problems with both materials are not to hard to work on and come out about the same.

I was also thinking a list of problems that you have with steel and then a list of problems you have with glass would be informative for anyone looking. Also a list of benefits in both material's.

It would be good if the steel boat owners just commented on own boats and the glass people on own boats.

The other thing is the thread is asking why he should not buy a steel boat rather then what is good about them. He is not asking about GRP at all. This thread has been more about comparing the two.
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Read some of the posts ... obviously not all of them.
Steel ... rust, rust, rust in areas not always obvious or accessable
... difficult to do simple modifications even if you're a skilled steel worker
... have you ever seen a true hour-glass hull made from steel?
Good luck in your search.
Yup - lots. Mine is just one.
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[QUOTE="Chasing Summer"]Read some of the posts ... obviously not all of them.
Steel ... rust, rust, rust in areas not always obvious or accessable
... difficult to do simple modifications even if you're a skilled steel worker
... have you ever seen a true hour-glass hull made from steel? /QUOTE]

Yup.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:16   #102
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

In fear of derailing thread too far... I wonder why lapstrake steel boats like mine aren't more common.

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Steel is real! And yes rust never sleeps.
So taking on a steel boat means bringing her up to a maintenance level (which can be a massive initial undertaking just catching up on the neglect) and being continuously hypervigilant
Inside and out with your epoxies ,dremel with mini sanding drum etc. and becoming a human ferret particularly on every possible source of crèvice corrosion inside not to mention the issues with electrolysis & necessary isolation etc. you have to enjoy the maintenance aspects or you won't be a happy camper unless you have lots of money to pay others to do it for you which is another parallel universe of headaches etc.
Didn't hurt that I had been a painting contractor for 30 years. Steel has its own learning curve
But also many rewards. Any well found cruising
boat is a double major phd in maintenance engineering. Enjoy the journey!
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Old 11-11-2012, 15:06   #104
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Re: Steer me away from a steel hull?

Dutch Treat,
Probably two main reasons.
Firstly the amount of welding is increased and thus time and production cost go up too.
Secondly,unless the lap is properly continuously welded inside and out it is likely to be a breeding fround for corrosion.
However, the Dutch are canny steel boatbuilders (no pun intended) and also very cost conscious, so maybe there are also some advantages I don't know about. (Possibly less accurate fit-up needed)

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Old 11-11-2012, 15:22   #105
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If you have a while to kill check this out,

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