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Old 03-06-2010, 10:49   #16
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It's clearly an ongoing skill development... at least the wirefeed system is very forgiving during the learning curve. But Anjou, you're totally right - I may feel comfy sticking some console framing together at my current near-newbie level, but I would defer humbly to the experts where hull plating or rigging structures are involved.

Part of this, for me, is just being a learning-curve junkie; the rest is a belief that self-sufficiency in boat maintenance is necessary (having been burned a time or two).
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Old 03-06-2010, 14:28   #17
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Ladies and Gentlemen, this has been a very educational thread. I'm glad I posted it. I get a different feel on the kind of boat owner it takes to work in steel. To stress the difference I'd call it a "merchant" or "semi-professional" mindset. I know its a bit silly and naive but I need something to remind me of some expectation for myself.

And yes, I think I got it's not all self sufficiently which I was dreaming it was, and that mastering this skill I would get rid of all my whining and finally grow up - just a little. Oh yes, I confess my fantasy visions of walking around town in rags talking to myself and pushing a shopping cart with a pin-wheel attached picking up stray bits of steel...then coming back to the yard and building a 50 ft ketch with a engine block for an anchor...it did cross my mind.

Just for fun, I'll close with a few listings. I'm not looking for any buying advice. I know most of these are trash or outside of my comfort level. These are here for entertainment and to give you a sense that as I walk through gardens of boats online, every once in a while a boat catches my eye that is extremely interesting and gives me pause. It could be the interior or the ruggedness or perhaps the general square design...or the price...and its usually a metal boat...which makes me asked that question "Do I dare?"

1980 Horizon Pilot House Ketch Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1987 Van de Stadt Falco Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1981 Goderich Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

2002 Bruce Roberts Ketch Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1989 Roberts Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

2000 Bruce Roberts Spray Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1992 Haag Bilgekeel Motorsailor Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1980 VULCAIN V STEEL CENTER COCKPIT Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1993 West Coast Marine, South Africa Steel Hull Cutter Sail Boat For

1990 Brewer Murray Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1986 Bruce Roberts Spray Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

The following one is probably the only one I will actually look at

2006 Custom Steel Sloop Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1984 Murray Custom Built Steel Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1983 Murray Sloop Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I know the following is probably crap, but interesssting

2006 Custom Steel Sloop Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Lovely interior

1996 Custom Steel Sailboat Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1982 Ganley Snowbird Junk Rig Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1984 Holland Boat Van De Stat Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1992 Steel Cruising Cutter Custom Built by Fred Lagier & Sons --High

OK I need a REALLY big Punch Bottle for this one:

1984 Holland Boat Van De Stat Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1992 Steel Cruising Cutter Custom Built by Fred Lagier & Sons --High

OK, the following two are aluminum, but i thought I would share just the same because they caught my eye.

Those Dutch don't just smoke hash, they go places!
1978 Kestelloo, Holland Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

this one has me hooked...check out pics.
1989 Huromich Metal Industries Bulldog Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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Scalping...

I had a quick look at your list. As a generalization they all look too small.
Steel boats are usually built with frames, often of 50mm flat bar, and have bulkheads in the bow and stern. This reduces the interior space, particularly compared with fibreglass. Installing the interior furniture will further reduce the available space. It's hard to get headroom on a small steel boat (A few builder seem to assume that your scalp is unnecessary) . Many on your list look to have a narrow beam.

I'd suggest care looking at boats that have a heavy steel superstructure. Some will have scrap ballast and the heavy top could reduce stability, particularly combined with a narrow beam.

I don't know what your personal situation is but in my opinion steel is not totally practical on boats less than 40' and boats over that length probably need two crew to handle them comfortably.

I had a hunt through Yachtworld myself and saw a couple of nice looking 44-45' Roberts, 40' Van Der Stadts, and a 41' Ganley.

However these are only 5 boats worldwide compared with many thousand in fibreglass, many of which would be local to you.
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Borocay: Very very helpful advice. And thank you for taking the time to look at those listings. I didn't want to take up your valuable focus - just share. Also, in retrospect I got carried away and put up too many.

Situation is basically looking for something I can single-hand blue water for long distances, but allow for company in northern cruising grounds. Being rather dim-witted and small framed I'd need a smaller boat than your proposed 40++ feet - more in the range of 30-38 and the high end of that is pressing my perceived ability to manage sails...lean toward sloop rigs...

so...perhaps based on your comments this has been somewhat a futile exercise in that I should focus back on the fiber.

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Well, steel is like wood - you can meet rusty clunkers and you can meet shocking samples of beauty and craftmanship.

Now to get the latter it takes money and skilled builders.

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Old 03-06-2010, 19:26   #21
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Damn barnakiel. And I was hoping for a Backyard Buehler
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This is a beauty. Nice price too, but just had what appears to be a great refit and it also looks like a quality boat.

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This is a beauty. Nice price too, but just had what appears to be a great refit and it also looks like a quality boat.

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Ah, sweet. I agree. The prop is in a much saner place than mine, and she looks excellent.

Mine, though not for sale, is here.
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Wow, that's gorgeous. Didn't you buy a cat or a tri a few years ago?

Love the bow sprit on the dink...

Ah, I read the first part of the article and see that you did have a tri. Thats one of my problems, I only look at the pictures...
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DeepFrz - yes... I spent a few years building the Microship, then got Microship-on-Steroids in the form of a Corsair 36. Crazy rocketship, and no space for actually living and geeking aboard...

Thanks for the kind words on the much-saner successor... though the first time I grabbed the lines of an 18-ton boat after being used to about 2.5 I thought I had left her in gear!

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Microship - its gorgeous. insane.
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Don't give up on steel just yet. There are several steel boats that do quite nicely in the under 30 catagory. I happen to own one that fits the bill handily. Shes 31 feet, beam of about 9 foot and full keeled. Fractional rig, and full head room at 6'3" inch main cabin, reducing down to 6' forward. She weighs in at 15,500 lbs, and is a treat to sail. Another nice on is the Tom Thumb 24 footer, designed for steel. Small pocket cruiser which will do the job for you.

Mine is up for sale but needs work to bring her up to snuff so I'm not getting many lookers n pokers. If you want to see some photos here a link to my photobucket album.

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Have a look see and you will see what can be done on the sub-aircraft carrier sizes.


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Funnily enough, I was discussing the subject with a local singlehander who was giving me a highly positive review of his ex WIBO (van der Stadt 30ft)..
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When I was working on a book project about it a few years ago (never completed), my editor, Jon Orwant, came up with a recursive acronym for Microship:

Microship Isn't Conventional, Regular, Ordinary Shipbuilding. Hardly.
It's Psychotic.
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