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Old 01-02-2012, 11:12   #31
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Fiberglass has low thermal conductivity, which is obviously quite an advantage in cold waters over aluminum. Pound for pound, the fiberglass is stronger than aluminum. In case of a serious collision with ice, event titanic didn't survive anyway.
I'm guessing titanic moved a bit faster than 6/7 knots? But sure, it's quite impossible to get something fireproof, iceproof, bulletproof, waterproof and the list goes ever on.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:19   #32
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Waterline Yachts, in Sidney B.C. But I don't know if you will find one in your price range.
Designers and builder's of fine metal boats >> Waterline Yachts
Waterline are near the top in steel yachts. If you can afford them, you are not asking questions here, I would venture.
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Although not in the pricerange specified,still an interesting new pilothouse to inspire you has been built by Atlantic yachts to a Van de Stadt design;

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Very nice indeed.

The Dutch are amazing at steel boats, having the North Sea as a neighbour, I suppose, and I'm always pleased when someone asks if my pilothouse cutter is a Dutch design.
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Very nice indeed.

The Dutch are amazing at steel boats, having the North Sea as a neighbour, I suppose, and I'm always pleased when someone asks if my pilothouse cutter is a Dutch design.
Yes they are. But I think Atlantics have always been in alloy (aluminum).

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Although not in the pricerange specified,still an interesting new pilothouse to inspire you has been built by Atlantic yachts to a Van de Stadt design;
I am not 100% sure it is a Van de Stadt design. I think they say Van De Stadt Design - meaning the office.

All earlier Atlantics were designed by Dick Zaal. Pita they went for another designer now. (BTW if they had to, I think Dykstra is much closer to Atlantic philosophy than VDSD ...).

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I am not 100% sure it is a Van de Stadt design. I think they say Van De Stadt Design - meaning the office.

All earlier Atlantics were designed by Dick Zaal. Pita they went for another designer now. (BTW if they had to, I think Dykstra is much closer to Atlantic philosophy than VDSD ...).

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Hello Barnakiel,

It is an Van de Stadt design;
Van de Stadt Design - Van de Stadt 46 PH

Well not from Ricus van de Stadt offcourse..
So yes it is the office.

The reason I said to the original topic starter that it may inspire him is the forward saloon lay out,I have not seen it anywere else.
According to Atlantic yachts it is more comfortable on long journeys.
the trade off is the full size bathroom in the middle of the boat,This lay out could be used on smaller boats too or used boats can be modified according to this lay out,any other thoughts?

As for Dykstra,well I think his latest designs are too retro and Atlantic are a bit more pragmatic,also the Atlantics are sitting in a lower price range than K&M(who are building the cruising designs of Dykstra) which are outrageously €xpen$ive.

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Bronner,

I sent you a PM. This might be of interest to you and is priced well within your budget. Owner died and family wants to get rid of the boat.

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The reason I said to the original topic starter that it may inspire him is the forward saloon lay out,I have not seen it anywere else.

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Whoops,yes JJ77,you did see a forward saloon before;
Integral 43 - Integral 12.50 - voilier de grande croisire

and yes it has a pilothouse too...and it's metal


oh it is for sale too;

http://ayc-yachtbroker.com/used-inte...3-for-sale-406

about in the price range the Topic starter asked..

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(...) As for Dykstra, well I think his latest designs are too retro and Atlantic are a bit more pragmatic,also the Atlantics are sitting in a lower price range than K&M(who are building the cruising designs of Dykstra) which are outrageously €xpen$ive.

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Yep. This is all price policy etc.. But I do not believe anybody who was an Atlantic admirer / owner cared all that much about the 'price point'. I believe people bought Atlantics because they were unique.

To my view of what Atlantic yachts were (by Zaal) is they were like Besteaver falling in love with an Open Class boat (e.g. IMOCA). I think it was a USP for Atlantic. They were very romantic, so to say, for there is beauty in technology.

Now with the new boat looking, well just like another VDSD (imagine Regina made in aluminum) they completely lost it. They went for 'saloon layouts' etc.. marketing mumbo jumbo. The romantic side of technology is out of the equation. But frankly, if one wants a VDSD, they do not have to buy one from Atlantic really. So, to me, Atlantic went astray and lost all its charm.

I could say I hope the new boats will appeal to someone and the boatyard will stay around but if they are going to forego the nice Zaal line and start making more VDSD then I could not care less ... if they go belly up I can always buy a VDSD from another boatyard.

It is always good to remember when Najad (and some other boatyards) went to trouble and avoid doing the same mistakes in our own yard ...

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Yes they are. But I think Atlantics have always been in alloy (aluminum).

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You may be thinking of the Kanter Atlantic 45, which I have seen in a variety of materials (I pursued a steel one briefly!)

Here's a nice one:



As an aside, almost all Kanter boats are now in aluminum.
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You may be thinking of the Kanter Atlantic 45, (...)
No, I am thinking of Dutch built Dick Zaal designs for the Atlantic boatyard.

From Kanter, I would like this:

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Now with the new boat looking, well just like another VDSD (imagine Regina made in aluminum) they completely lost it. They went for 'saloon layouts' etc.. marketing mumbo jumbo. The romantic side of technology is out of the equation. But frankly, if one wants a VDSD, they do not have to buy one from Atlantic really. So, to me, Atlantic went astray and lost all its charm.

I could say I hope the new boats will appeal to someone and the boatyard will stay around but if they are going to forego the nice Zaal line and start making more VDSD then I could not care less ... if they go belly up I can always buy a VDSD from another boatyard.

It is always good to remember when Najad (and some other boatyards) went to trouble and avoid doing the same mistakes in our own yard ...

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Ho hang on Barnakiel, Atlantic did not switch from one design to another,the new atlantic 40 is a Zaal boat,the 46 pilothouse is just an extra to their line.Your point towards the Najad case is a good one though,I think the guys in Harlingen have understood that aswell..

As far as marketing mumbo jumbo towards the saloon upfront,not sure if it is mumbo jumbo,Cigale 16 also has got another lay out(rear saloon,270 degrees view,not bad),but I guess this thread will start drifting so I will stop nagging about it.

@Bronner;You might wanna consider booking a trip with these guys;
Custom Made Charters Home

steel pilothouse designed by Martin Bekebrede.

Cheers and you all have a nice weekend,mine just started,

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No, I am thinking of Dutch built Dick Zaal designs for the Atlantic boatyard.

From Kanter, I would like this:

http://www.allboatsales.com/wp-conte...othouse--1.jpg

Thanks!

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OK, that's quite acceptable, too.
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Ho hang on Barnakiel, Atlantic did not switch from one design to another,the new atlantic 40 is a Zaal boat,the 46 pilothouse is just an extra to their line.Your point towards the Najad case is a good one though,I think the guys in Harlingen have understood that aswell..

As far as marketing mumbo jumbo towards the saloon upfront,not sure if it is mumbo jumbo,Cigale 16 also has got another lay out(rear saloon,270 degrees view,not bad),but I guess this thread will start drifting so I will stop nagging about it.

@Bronner;You might wanna consider booking a trip with these guys;
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steel pilothouse designed by Martin Bekebrede.

Cheers and you all have a nice weekend,mine just started,

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