Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16-09-2013, 05:42   #31
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panonian Sailor View Post

Ozone generator works, just never mix bleach and vinegar
Correction, rinse one well before using the other one
__________________

__________________
Panonian Sailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-09-2013, 15:20   #32
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Charleston, SC
Boat: Tayana 37
Posts: 704
Re: Sailboat smells

Distilled white vinegar. Works wonders on my boat, even with a composting head.
__________________

__________________
Kevin84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-09-2013, 17:29   #33
Senior Cruiser
 
colemj's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,049
Images: 12
Re: Sailboat smells

Quote:
Originally Posted by barnakiel View Post
in the land of foiling tractors
OK, I gotta bite. Are these the next America's Cup boats if NZ wins? Do they ride above the ground on plowshares? Will we be seeing Prada "Bandag" hats on the drivers?

Never heard of them and too lazy to google...

Mark
__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-09-2013, 17:35   #34
Senior Cruiser
 
colemj's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,049
Images: 12
Re: Sailboat smells

I just googled wet and forget (but will not google foiling tractors - I'm too afraid).

From the same company you also can get:

"Ants in Ya Pants"
"Waspinator"
"Wheelie Bin Wash"
"War Paint"
"Bugger Off"
"Hit Man"
"Hit the Decks"
"Shower Witch"
and "Miss Muffet's Revenge"

I want to buy them just to have things with those names on board!

Mark
__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-09-2013, 17:40   #35
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: California Coast
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 331
Posts: 680
Re: Sailboat smells

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panonian Sailor View Post
Ozone generator works, just never mix bleach and vinegar
Ozone causes fiberglass to de-laminate!
__________________
Liam Wald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-09-2013, 18:04   #36
Senior Cruiser
 
colemj's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,049
Images: 12
Re: Sailboat smells

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam Wald View Post
Ozone causes fiberglass to de-laminate!
Uhh, can you back that up with some evidence or data? I won't dismiss this, but as a chemist I don't have any plausible mechanism for that.

Mark
__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 05:49   #37
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 3
Vinegar is acetic acid, when acid is mixed with chlorine it creates a master gas used as a chemical weapon in WWI
__________________
Panonian Sailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 06:02   #38
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 20,226
Images: 2
pirate Re: Sailboat smells

I do a 50/50 mix for topside... shifts those annoying rust spots on GRP you get on long crossings a treat... but work upwind... it truly makes your eyes water...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panonian Sailor View Post
Vinegar is acetic acid, when acid is mixed with chlorine it creates a master gas used as a chemical weapon in WWI
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 07:12   #39
Senior Cruiser
 
colemj's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,049
Images: 12
Re: Sailboat smells

Also do not mix bleach and ammonia - even worse toxic effects than with vinegar.

Mark
__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 14:01   #40
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Massachussetts
Boat: Cheoy Lee 47 CC
Posts: 700
Re: Sailboat smells

Both actually produce chlorine gas as will pvc when broken down, as in when you burn it or heat it too much. I've worked in the plastics industry and you really don't want to be around when PVC gets too hot.
Burns the lungs and moist tissue like nothing you've ever experienced.
As for ozone, I do know it's the worst enemy of rubber tires when storing for long periods, don't know about fiberglass though. Anyone who's had a collector car or motorcycle long term would have experienced that.
__________________
lifeofreilly57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 16:40   #41
Registered User
 
Mike Vogdes's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Jersey Shore
Boat: Watkins 29'
Posts: 212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin84 View Post
Distilled white vinegar. Works wonders on my boat, even with a composting head.
So what are you saying?
I was under the impression composting heads were pretty much odorless, no?
__________________
~~~ ><(((((*> ~~~
Mike Vogdes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 17:13   #42
Writing Full-Time Since 2014
 
thinwater's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Deale, MD
Boat: PDQ Altair, 32/34
Posts: 4,354
Re: Sailboat smells

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panonian Sailor View Post
Vinegar is acetic acid, when acid is mixed with chlorine it creates a master gas used as a chemical weapon in WWI
Actually. chlorine gas is released, which is different from mustard gas. Still mixing vinegar and bleach is, well, stupid. The other well known no-no is mixing bleach with ammonia, which makes chloramine gas. Just about as bad. There are reasons why people do this in industry, but most of them don't make any sense on a boat, and certainly not without understanding what is going on.

I've been doing some tests for an upcoming article. A few surprises:
  • Vinegar makes the mold grow faster than the control in some cases (fabric). Lots faster. Cheap for cleaning, but irrational for mildew control since mold likes both vinegar and acid residues. It depends on how much moisture is present; if it's relatively dry it helps, if more damp it's a disaster. If folks actually did side-by-side comparisons they would learn there are more dependable products. But it is cheap. It is also a religion.
  • Home remedies can work. You can do a lot of good with washing soda, TSP, baking soda, and borax if you get the ratios and concentrations right. None of these are mold food.
  • Natural oil gels. Barely effective. If the level is high enough to kill anything the stench is reasonably unbearable. Perhaps they make the boat smell better until they run out. So does Renuzit.
IMHO, dry is the real answer.
__________________
Gear Testing--Engineering--Sailing

Writing full-time since 2014.
Bookstore:http://sail-delmarva.blogspot.com/20...ook-store.html
thinwater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-09-2013, 17:28   #43
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 20,226
Images: 2
pirate Re: Sailboat smells

Worked for various industries using a variety of chemicals so I am aware of health hazards, that's why I said topside and upwind...
But a lot of things in the marine world are harmful in various levels... even the boat you live in...
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2013, 07:11   #44
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Massachussetts
Boat: Cheoy Lee 47 CC
Posts: 700
Re: Sailboat smells

One good use for vinegar is removing mineral deposits in heat exchangers, it also works well in trying to remove internal mineral deposits in outboards if they are run in salt water (most of us?).
Traditionally muriatic acid is used to remove mineral deposits in heat exchangers if the matetials they're made of are robust enough (copper, bronze) but along with that comes the issue of disposing of the old acid and the fact that you really wouldn't want to run it through a whole system. It's only good if the heat exchanger is removed and dipped separately.
White vinegar can be run into the raw water side of your heat exahcanger through the raw water intake hose, let sit for 45 minutes or so then flushed with plenty of clean water to help keep mineral buildup in check, the same for an out board if you can flush it. Although it's not as effective as muriatic acid it is a much milder way to do it.
IT will also help reduce mineral buildup on heads using salt water flush, much milder than many of the commercial products, not sure what it does to the balance in the holding tank though, I usually do it with an overboard flush with no waste product in the system at the time.
SO, not so good for mold but good for other things.
__________________
lifeofreilly57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2013, 08:47   #45
Registered User
 
Celestialsailor's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In Mexico, working on the boat
Boat: Hallberg Rassy 35. and 14ft.Whitehall pulling skiff.
Posts: 8,013
Images: 5
Re: Sailboat smells

Quote:
Originally Posted by Normanby View Post
I've had great success with clove oil.

On my new/old boat I had mutant mould of epic proportions. Scrubbed everywhere (often hanging upside down) with 20% bleach.
But after that I put a teaspoon of clove oil in a water-filled spray bottle and sprayed this mist everywhere, especially inside lockers. What happens is that because the clove oil is an oil, the water evaporates off but the oil residue stays, at a microscopic level. This clove oil barrier kills mould and prevents its return, even in areas you can't reach. Even on carpet.
My boat smells like...nothing, just a hint of clove scent, which is nice.
I have an "open to air" shower sump. I have clove oil mixed with water. I spray the grating down and a couple of squirts in the sump. Seems to do the trick.
Quote:
Originally Posted by colemj View Post
Are these the next America's Cup boats if NZ wins?
Mark
Not if...but when.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam Wald View Post
Ozone causes fiberglass to de-laminate!
I would also like to see evidence of that. It is basically O3 that breaks down creating one radical molecule acting as a sterilizer. Please tell me how that react with something as inert as cured f/g.
__________________

__________________
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

http://wwwjolielle.blogspot.com/
Celestialsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
sail, sailboat

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:19.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.