Rival 36 , 38 and 41

[GTom]

The rivals are heavier than pretty much everything in their respective classes, that I am adraid is bad news for light wind performance...

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by GTom

The rivals are heavier than pretty much everything in their respective classes, that I am adraid is bad news for light wind performance...

Are you certain you know Rivals well enough?

E.g. Rival 36 has SA/D of 15.65 while say a Valiant 42 will have SA/D of 15.05. I am not certain a Valiant 42 has opinion of being slow in light airs.

And I think we both agree that weight of the boat is only indirectly related to light wind performance. Stability, and wetted surface seem far more important.

? yes ? no ? anything in between ?

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[GTom]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Are you certain you know Rivals well enough?

E.g. Rival 36 has SA/D of 15.65 while say a Valiant 42 will have SA/D of 15.05. I am not certain a Valiant 42 has opinion of being slow in light airs.

And I think we both agree that weight of the boat is only indirectly related to light wind performance. Stability, and wetted surface seem far more important.

? yes ? no ? anything in between ?

b.

Did sail once a 41, we barely did 6 knots in 25knots wind (without tidal stream). Was an island of peace though when we got ~3m waves and another 15kn wind!

Absolutely agreed, that weight is just one factor, SA, profile, clean bottom are just as important.

[Fore and Aft]

There is a Rival 41 AC for sale in Malaysia for $38,000 US. The broker is yachtbroker-charters.com. The interior is a bit dated.
Cheers

[GTom]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

There is a Rival 41 AC for sale in Malaysia for $38,000 US. The broker is yachtbroker-charters.com. The interior is a bit dated.
Cheers

Saw it, to me it seems a huge amount of work to get rid of all the mess and refit it for passage making. Moreover, it is the Aft cockpit version, which means one cabin worth of space short. Still, quite a discount. If I was nearby I'd definitely pay a visit/survey.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by GTom

Did sail once a 41, we barely did 6 knots in 25knots wind (without tidal stream). Was an island of peace though when we got ~3m waves and another 15kn wind!

Absolutely agreed, that weight is just one factor, SA, profile, clean bottom are just as important.

I have looked up her lwl and if I am correct then her 1sqrt lwl is 5.7. So if you hit consistent 6kts, it will be a nice pace. Her 1.3 sqrt lwl would be 7.4. And that's that. This is what the boat is. To go faster the boat would need to be very light and flat, to go on the plane.

We are all bound by physics ...

I have seen a 41 in NZ. I like them. Maybe not very fast but look well put together and very much a sea going (rather than marina) boat. People say their interior is very well done in real wood.

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[GTom]

The interior was indeed quality and rather spacious even for 6.

[GTom]

Can the rivals stand on their keels/let beached?

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by GTom

Can the rivals stand on their keels/let beached?

Were there any bilge keel ones made? All the ones I have seen were fin / skeg hulls.

Otherwise all keel boats can be beached, you just need the right beach and the beaching legs.

Cheers,
b.

[GTom]

The 36, 38 and 41 are not full keels but I've seen steel boats standing on shorter keels:

[GTom]

Btw how do Rivals fare regarding osmosis/blistering?

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by GTom

Btw how do Rivals fare regarding osmosis/blistering?

Expect the same as with any other grp boat of the same age (except some Valiants) ;-)

Much depends on how they were stored over winter. Some North European boats (UK, Ireland, Sweden, Holland) may be free from osmosis even without a barrier coat (boats stored dry over the winter). But boats stored all year in water in the Med or in the tropics will have osmosis, unless they were epoxy treated before osmosis kicked in.

I think only possibly some newer boats where manufacturers used exotic resins or epoxy stand a chance of being osmosis free over a long run (we are yet to see if this is so).

All old polyester boats will get it if given enough of an opportunity.

Good news is the lamination is expected to be on the thick side. So some osmosis will be easily repairable.

Buy a clean one, shield it in epoxy and avoid all and any worry.

Are you getting one then?

Cheers,
b.

[GTom]

Not before spring/start of the next season. In the meantime I am doing some research on steel boats (like the Bruce Roberts on the pic above), but their maintenance is probably not for my jump-in-jump-out schedule...

[barnakiel]

Like any other material, steel boats can be heaven and can be hell. Two of my friends have steel Roberts. I would never swap.

We are just out of the boatyard with our 1980 grp hull. Some osmosis, new chainplates, new beam under the mast, etc. 21 days on dry.

Meanwhile our steel Bruce Roberts friends spend up to six months in boatyards at a time. Clearly theirs are not the heaven variant.

I would buy a steel boat but not some home built Roberts. Maybe a Dutch hull - something built out of clean plates IN A QUALITY BOATYARD, pre-formed (rolled) and epoxied from new in and out. Koopmans, Zaal, etc.

Our neighbours in the boatyard this time were a lovely young French couple with their 5 m.o. daughter. The boat is a Trismus 33 built in alloy in France. Absolutely stunning and not showing her age at all. They do not even use AF paint on her. Bare grey hull ready to take them out to their adventure. Do vs. have.

I am into the low maintenance park. No rusting steel hulls, no rotting wood. Grp, alloy or bust.

I would buy a Rival. Restore it, Sail it. Forget odd quality steel hulls.

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[GTom]

Also I am reluctant to combine 10+ton weight with 38-40'. One needs displacement for motion comfort but maybe not that much. Still, I haven't completely abandoned the idea to get a well maintained corten hull (corrodes slower than conventional steel), I'll see what does the market coughs up.

I intend to sail far north at some stage, where a steel hull could come handy against logs and ice.