Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 15-08-2014, 05:39   #31
Registered User
 
deluxe68's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Arizona/Rhode Island
Boat: Swan 432
Posts: 581
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by scuba0_1 View Post
ok no knowledge of any but own all, they all sank, i think the keels fell off because i cant see them, at 1 time or another but re-floated them and still pay for them in a marina but don't use them so i have knowledge of them but not practical knowledge using them , like the head room but haven't actually stepped on them, they are all live aboard because i am sure things are living on them ie all the spiders webs that are on them.. i think they may not be made well but dont know how they are built so will go with what my neighbor said because he owned none but is smart, they must be blue water boats because they sit in blue water, but also brown at time so also brown water boats. label them the way you have them there or the other way works also. Oh yea and don't buy a swan there crap..
Huh?
__________________

__________________
deluxe68 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 06:03   #32
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
Re: Rate That Boat

1. Sabre (my wildest guess)

2. Hunter
2. Benateau
2. Jeanneau

Some better some worse, some keels fall off, some rudders break off, etc.

3. Delphia

(A Poland built incarnation of the Bene / Jeanneau / Hunter crowd).

and North to Alaska?

None of the above. I would buy a strong boat for this.

b.
__________________

__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 13:11   #33
cruiser

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Palm City, Florida
Boat: Slocum 37
Posts: 89
Re: Rate That Boat

Cheechako got the order right and EX-Calif summed up this thread. I too thought the production boat owners would be at each others throats by now.

What a disappointment and missed opportunity to have some fun.....

BZT
__________________
BZT54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 14:05   #34
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,975
Re: Rate That Boat

If I were you I would canvas the hell out of the local sailors in your area and find out what kind of production boat they like and then as long as I liked it I'd probably buy that type as I would be thinking about selling it one day and if a boat has a following in the area it sure helps.
I remember when I was in Australia some years ago I was talking with some local sailors and all I heard was what a great boat the Beneteau was, they talked about it like we talk about Swans or Baltics. Sure enough a friend brought one in and sold it in Aussi and did really well. Never knew what to think after that because we saw it as a entry level production boat.
__________________
robert sailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 14:21   #35
Registered User
 
scuba0_1's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: naples
Boat: 2005 Catalina 350
Posts: 670
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by BZT54 View Post
Cheechako got the order right and EX-Calif summed up this thread. I too thought the production boat owners would be at each others throats by now.

What a disappointment and missed opportunity to have some fun.....

BZT
See and I thought all the old people with old boats would be..

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
scuba0_1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 15:05   #36
cruiser

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Palm City, Florida
Boat: Slocum 37
Posts: 89
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by scuba0_1 View Post
See and I thought all the old people with old boats would be..

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
Who are you calling old? 60's are the new 40's. As for my boat, I'll have to ask her. But just between you and me..... she can handle more than I can.

BZT
__________________
BZT54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 15:10   #37
Registered User
 
scuba0_1's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: naples
Boat: 2005 Catalina 350
Posts: 670
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by BZT54 View Post
Who are you calling old? 60's are the new 40's. As for my boat, I'll have to ask her. But just between you and me..... she can handle more than I can.

BZT


Sent from my SCH-I535 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
scuba0_1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 15:39   #38
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,389
Re: Rate That Boat

Sabre? Really?

A friend's friend bought a Sabre 42 a few years ago.

His keel fell off!!!

The Sabre guys disclaimed ALL responsibility, since the manual said "tighten your keel bolts after 50 hours of use."

Absolute HS.

Sabre had built a good rep based on many "perceived" advantages, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how a sailboat is "better" because the interior woodwork is a tad nicer. More utter HS.

This is from our Catalina 34 website:

Buying a C 34? "See what other owners have to say!"
We bought Air Goddess in 1994 and it was our first boat. We were comparing the C34 to a Tartan 34 and a Sabre 34 - all were the same vintage and in equally good condition. The C34 was $50K, the Tartan was $65K and the Sabre was $80K.
Even to my untutored eye the Tartan and the Sabre were superior boats from the point of view of fit and finish - the question became was superior fit and finish worth all that extra money. Our brokers advice was that the C34 would be a "lot of boat for the money" and would hold its resale value at least as well as the other two.
We took his advice and find that, 6 years later, we could probably sell Air Goddess for more than we paid for it and do so very quickly if needed. I don't know how the Tartan and the Sabre have fared in the used boat market but I could not be happier with what has transpired with the Catalina. Plus we have enjoyed the ownership experience - what more could we ask???


Sabres simply aren't worth that much more and are not necessarily better boats. A Catalina 42 is, in my mind, a better boat for that trip than a C34, for example, so the SIZE does matter.
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 16:55   #39
Registered User
 
scuba0_1's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: naples
Boat: 2005 Catalina 350
Posts: 670
Re: Rate That Boat

And you all seemed confused by my post see all keel fall off..

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
scuba0_1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 17:37   #40
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 20,226
Images: 2
pirate Re: Rate That Boat

Jeneaus willout sail a Beneteau any day but a Bene has the better accomodation.. Hunters are Ok... depends on the type of sailing you plan to do.. Sabres..? a bit dated but a good boat..
Go with what gives you a hard on....
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 18:14   #41
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 8
Re: Rate That Boat

Hey, I'm really glad this question was asked. I wrote up a little piece of software to help compare these boats, so that we can finally know which is the proper order. Into the algorithm I factored build quality and materials, proven race and seaworthiness, cost, country of origin, color, owner temperament, boat aura, and a host of other minutia that I won't bore you with. The program runs each manufacture through a gauntlet of tests, and then outputs an indexed score between 0 and 100. Here were the results:



Catalina= "NaN"
Hunter= "purple"
Benateau= "Huey Lewis"
Delphia= "e^i(pi/2)"
Jeanneau= "rosemary"- (*note- I'm uncertain if this is the name or the herb)
Sabre= "deuterium"


HTH!
__________________
hyperfine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-08-2014, 18:47   #42
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 11,471
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by hyperfine View Post
Hey, I'm really glad this question was asked. I wrote up a little piece of software to help compare these boats, so that we can finally know which is the proper order. Into the algorithm I factored build quality and materials, proven race and seaworthiness, cost, country of origin, color, owner temperament, boat aura, and a host of other minutia that I won't bore you with. The program runs each manufacture through a gauntlet of tests, and then outputs an indexed score between 0 and 100. Here were the results:



Catalina= "NaN"
Hunter= "purple"
Benateau= "Huey Lewis"
Delphia= "e^i(pi/2)"
Jeanneau= "rosemary"- (*note- I'm uncertain if this is the name or the herb)
Sabre= "deuterium"


HTH!
Fascinating, and quite informative as well! I note that the Sabre's rating of Deuterium is consistent with all the folks who believe that it will endure heavy weather (heavy water?). Thank you for the first objective inter-boat rating system ever devised. Will you be writing an Andriod app for your system? It would sell well at boat shows...

Cheers, and welcome to CF.

Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Port Cygnet, Tasmania once again
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2014, 10:17   #43
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2005
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 4,593
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by hyperfine View Post
Hey, I'm really glad this question was asked. I wrote up a little piece of software to help compare these boats, so that we can finally know which is the proper order. Into the algorithm I factored build quality and materials, proven race and seaworthiness, cost, country of origin, color, owner temperament, boat aura, and a host of other minutia that I won't bore you with. The program runs each manufacture through a gauntlet of tests, and then outputs an indexed score between 0 and 100. Here were the results:



Catalina= "NaN"
Hunter= "purple"
Benateau= "Huey Lewis"
Delphia= "e^i(pi/2)"
Jeanneau= "rosemary"- (*note- I'm uncertain if this is the name or the herb)
Sabre= "deuterium"


HTH!
You have a bug in your algorithm. NaN is Not A Number. So all the other results are also questionable.
__________________
Paul L
http://svjeorgia.blogspot.com
Paul L is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2014, 11:40   #44
Registered User
 
scuba0_1's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: naples
Boat: 2005 Catalina 350
Posts: 670
Re: Rate That Boat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul L View Post
You have a bug in your algorithm. NaN is Not A Number. So all the other results are also questionable.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN

In computing,*NaN, standing for*not a number, is a numeric data type value representing an undefined or*...


I thought that's why I was on top

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
scuba0_1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2014, 20:28   #45
Registered User
 
Panamax.'s Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 85
Re: Rate That Boat

Ok All,

First impressions are lasting ones. I would remind some of you that checking forums is a great way to, "do your homework." Many of your answers give me the initial impression of, "holier than thou attitudes." Seriously, this should be a place that relative newbies can come in comfort.

All this being said, I agree that I may not have provided enough information....soooo:

As some might have seen in my recent welcome post, I am a retired Navy guy. As a young man, I enjoyed weekend racing with. the Everett Yacht Club in Everett, WA. I primarily raced on A friend's Thunderbird and Tanzers owned by my father's sailing club, but I did get some limited opportunities on larger boats.

Well, after 26 years in the Navy and 10 more of civil service, I am finally in position to fulfill my dream and purchase my own boat. My intent is to sail weekends and short trips to the San Juan's for now but I dream of doing the Alaska thing when I retire in about 6 years.

All this being sail, I have determined through some looking around and one failed survey that a 30-38 foot boat is what I am looking for....but closer to 30 would be my preference....hence my initial interest in A Nonsuch 30...lots of room but not too much length.

Final specification...and an important one...my wife is a die hard power boater with limited sailing experience. Comfort below decks is important to her. A pilothouse like a Nauticat would be nice. Trying to stay well below $100k but will go higher for the right boat.

Hope that's enough info. Questions welcome and encouraged. However, if your intent is simply to point out how stupid my question is, please feel free to move on. Thanks to you all for your comments!


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________

__________________
Panamax. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Deadly viruses mutating to infect humans at rate never seen before CaptainK Health, Safety & Related Gear 10 23-02-2006 20:04
Fla. Death Rate Up GordMay Health, Safety & Related Gear 1 21-04-2005 14:45
How Does the Lagoon Multihull Rate ? irwinsailor Multihull Sailboats 5 13-02-2005 14:26
Rate Sailing in Chesapeake Bay JimSmith Forum Tech Support & Site Help 2 29-04-2004 09:39
SSB e-mail Down-load rate?? CSY Man Liveaboard's Forum 8 18-11-2003 22:31



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:41.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.